Is there a JL E torque system delete?

[Old Dogger]

I would not buy a vehicle with e-torque. It would not be my first choice, but if ordering new, I would order the manual trans, just to avoid it and it's potential issues down the road.

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[AFD]

If I bought a Wrangler I would get the 2.0 turbo mostly because it doesn't have the eTorque because I definitely will be getting an LRA aux tank with whatever I get due to the range it gives which is way better than the range the Diesel has due to a smaller fuel tank thanks to the DEF requirements (again more EPA crap).

Unfortunately that's not an option for my 2-door JL, but I'd much rather have an auxiliary gas tank than the eTorque battery taking up space underneath. An extra 12 gallons like the JK 2-door tank they're working on would be perfect. Heck, even an extra 5 gallons with a larger OEM tank would've been much more useful imo.

Maybe if I could actually get decent gas mileage because of the mild-hybrid system I'd appreciate it, but even driving like a granny I just can't break 20MPG, let alone its rated 24MPG. Me consuming less fuel from a more efficient MHEV system would absolutely be more "green" than the total 20 seconds of engine shut-off I usually get when driving through one small town every day (when the ESS actually works). And eventually replacing the secondary battery in either system also completely negates any reduction in emissions, at least with my usage.

If manufacturers want to make greener vehicles, then fine, but at least make sure it's an actual improvement for the customer and the environment, and not just something that only looks good on paper.

 

[foxwalkin]

Unfortunately that's not an option for my 2-door JL, but I'd much rather have an auxiliary gas tank than the eTorque battery taking up space underneath. An extra 12 gallons like the JK 2-door tank they're working on would be perfect. Heck, even an extra 5 gallons with a larger OEM tank would've been much more useful imo.

Maybe if I could actually get decent gas mileage because of the mild-hybrid system I'd appreciate it, but even driving like a granny I just can't break 20MPG, let alone its rated 24MPG. Me consuming less fuel from a more efficient MHEV system would absolutely be more "green" than the total 20 seconds of engine shut-off I usually get when driving through one small town every day (when the ESS actually works). And eventually replacing the secondary battery in either system also completely negates any reduction in emissions, at least with my usage.

If manufacturers want to make greener vehicles, then fine, but at least make sure it's an actual improvement for the customer and the environment, and not just something that only looks good on paper.

There's got to be a way to relocate that battery. I've heard (perhaps in this thread) that it's not that large? It's kind of like how people said you couldn't use Rubicon bumpers on the Mojave because of the placement of the remote reservoirs. It's like... just move it somewhere else? Of course that's a heck of a lot smaller than the battery I'm sure. But I saw something once that made it seem like it's not that big.

 

[Crusifix]

The Etorque in my 2.0 JL is probably the only electrical related system that I haven’t had any problems out of. It’s not even noticeable.

 

[AnnDee4444]

Long range fuel tanks typically go on the other side of the vehicle opposite the main fuel tank, which means etorque = no go.

Why the long range fuel tank? BECAUSE THE GAS MILEAGE IS TRASH. I don't care about gas prices if I can increase the range. So LRF tank was a perfect idea CRUSHED by FCA's MORONIC decisions.

 

[INCRHULK]

I dont even know what E-torque is?

A mild Hybrid (48v) that provides a turbo/supercharger-like boost and a quicker, smoother ESS start/stop.

 

[foxwalkin]

A mild Hybrid (48v) that provides a turbo/supercharger-like boost and a quicker, smoother ESS start/stop.

Turbo/Supercharger-like boost . I dunno about that one. Does Jeep actually say that?

 

[INCRHULK]

Turbo/Supercharger-like boost . I dunno about that one. Does Jeep actually say that?

No, but that's what it is. It adds a small power assist at the low end of the power band while the engine spins up to a more efficient RPM range. It's not as much grunt as from the PHEV, but it helps with the heavy foot.

The days of picking and choosing every single option on any vehicle, unless you're dealing with a completely bespoke manufacturer are long gone. eTorque, and the much better PHEV system are what lets the JL continue to survive, and thrive in a market that's needing to reduce emissions drastically.

 

[foxwalkin]

No, but that's what it is. It adds a small power assist at the low end of the power band while the engine spins up to a more efficient RPM range. It's not as much grunt as from the PHEV, but it helps with the heavy foot.

The days of picking and choosing every single option on any vehicle, unless you're dealing with a completely bespoke manufacturer are long gone. eTorque, and the much better PHEV system are what lets the JL continue to survive, and thrive in a market that's needing to reduce emissions drastically.

I would totally get a 4xe if it didn't have that hump in the back. But I disagree with the statement about choosing every single option on any vehicle. I can usually choose whatever I want from other manufacturers with no problems other than inflating the cost and requiring choosing higher trims in some cases.

But the whole "well that's the way it is so whatever" argument is not my cup of tea.

 

[Capricorn]

Wish Jeep provides eTorque to manual transmission. It will solve the 1st gear stalling.

 

[verapx]

I have a 2022 3.6 with auto and it is an Etorque, I believe the 2021 3.6's were also Etorques.

 

[Dyolfknip74]

Cool flex.

I love the people telling me to buy a GM or some BS. lol. You guys are funny. You know that reality is all that matters. Laugh reactions and peoples' opinions aren't worth the pixels they're printed on.

You want to shill for FCA and be an apologist that's fine. I salute the guy that actually responded to me something of VALUE. Thanks.

This may be my first post on here but it is far from my first post in Jeep communities as a collective. And the consensus is that my complaints about FCA are stupid and unfounded.

Yet every single time I go to build a vehicle I am always presented with a situation where I feel like a king under check mate in chess. I want this, NOPE, coz then I lose that. Want that? Nope. Then I lose this.. Ok so it was available in 22. So I can pray to the different Gods of Earth that I can find a 22 with everything I want. I might want to saw off my leg and put it in an altar along with one eye ball and forearm.

But hey let's celebrate a company that constantly removes choice from the customer! Let's just ignore customer choice and that THE CUSTOMER IS THE LIFE LINE OF BUSINESS and shill for the company and say that every choice removed from the customer is in line with the success of the company. Because oh yeah that makes tons of sense.

I see this as just emotional shilling with zero rational independent thinking whatsoever. And reality is the only thing that matters. Your laugh reactions do not.

And don't even get me started on the configurator website. "Oh it must be you! Because it works just fine for me. Maybe you're using a VPN.."****

Multiple ISPs in multiple states, Multiple different computers, multiple browsers, multiple desktop devices, mobile devices, iPhone, iPad, etc. SAME PROBLEMS. But yeah It's "just me" and I'm stupid for trying to tell Jeep to fix their shit.

**** In my 30+ years of experience "It works fine for me" means they have the same problems but they're blind to it and don't really give af about it and just say that's their "slow computer" or they think it's normal. This is why I never believe those statements. Again, empirical evidence not emotion. a decade in tech support, fixing peoples' computers, etc. etc.

I feel like the word "flex" doesn't mean what you think it means. Lol.

I'm sorry you're so affected by a battery. I can highly suggest just buying a TJ or JK, build it rock solid and beat on it like a red headed step child.

Bonus of that is that it opens up Pirate4x4 forums where they would absolutely embrace your written prose.

 

[foxwalkin]

I feel like the word "flex" doesn't mean what you think it means. Lol.

I'm sorry you're so affected by a battery. I can highly suggest just buying a TJ or JK, build it rock solid and beat on it like a red headed step child.

Bonus of that is that it opens up Pirate4x4 forums where they would absolutely embrace your written prose.

I dunno man. It probably was just annoyance at that I'm on and have been on like more than 10 Jeep forums spanning FB and other Internet forums including this one that is basically split with the Jeep Gladiator forum that looks identical lol. So maybe my first post HERE .. but definitely not my first post lol.

I was angry and I honestly don't remember if it's applicable but I have since adapted to not getting angry about the typical dumb shit that I really can't change. Moreso it just what Jeep does pisses me off sometimes. Like with the website. It's still even worse than ever but like I said before I don't get mad now I just open an old PDF if preview and cross out the shit that I changed and change it there.. and I'll take that to the dealer. They got their own system anyway.

I swear that battery has to be able to move it somewhere else, I mean how big is it?? And yeah, TJ would be pretty awesome, or JK. I was going to trade my Gladiator for a JL ... God please don't let them ruin the Wrangler in 2024. I feel that grille from the 20th anniversary ed. is an omen.

 

[Traveller128]

Wish Jeep provides eTorque to manual transmission. It will solve the 1st gear stalling.

4.10's instead of the stupid 3.45s will stop 1st gear stalling.

 

[limeade]

I dunno man. It probably was just annoyance at that I'm on and have been on like more than 10 Jeep forums spanning FB and other Internet forums including this one that is basically split with the Jeep Gladiator forum that looks identical lol. So maybe my first post HERE .. but definitely not my first post lol.

I was angry and I honestly don't remember if it's applicable but I have since adapted to not getting angry about the typical dumb shit that I really can't change. Moreso it just what Jeep does pisses me off sometimes. Like with the website. It's still even worse than ever but like I said before I don't get mad now I just open an old PDF if preview and cross out the shit that I changed and change it there.. and I'll take that to the dealer. They got their own system anyway.

I swear that battery has to be able to move it somewhere else, I mean how big is it?? And yeah, TJ would be pretty awesome, or JK. I was going to trade my Gladiator for a JL ... God please don't let them ruin the Wrangler in 2024. I feel that grille from the 20th anniversary ed. is an omen.

Is moving the eTorque battery possible......well anything is possible if you have enough money or skill. However, I don't think you fully grasp what all is connected to the eTorque battery. In addition to the wiring, you also have coolant lines to worry about. So yeah, finding space for the 48V battery might be possible if you can find a space for it which can be protected and with sufficient distance from the exhaust. Then you'd have to fabricate custom coolant lines around the exhaust, frame, crossmembers, etc. AND have the wiring lengthened correctly. Being that it's a 48V system, I'm guessing it's not as easy as splicing and soldering normal automotive electrical grade wires together.

For someone who doesn't even have an eTorque equipped vehicle (Gladiator per your profile), you come across as rude and a know it all. Maybe you're not, but this is at least the second post in this thread where you've told us how many other forums you post on. Probably time to move on from this thread......at least.

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