Eliminating AUTO Stop

[SadRobot]

Got a link? I'm in CA too.
There seem to be a lot of companies of many types of products that don't ship to CA. A bigoted perspective, IMO, which cuts themselves out of a huge market, often of like-minded customers. These times are hard to understand.

I learned this the hard way when I was researching gas water heaters. The big box stores won't sell them or ship them to California residents anymore. With some more googling I learned CA is phasing them out completely by 2030.

Edit to add relevant thread info: When I first got my Jeep I removed the hood sensor and just dealt with the light on the dash until I eventually bought a Tazer.

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[blessidsoul12]

Taser mini for me- easy install (well, not physically get access up there), but software-wise, and has worked well wver since.

 

[Irishguy1973]

Wow,
Didn.t expect to get so much feedback but very good education. I have read all the post. Awesome, I am really enjoying the board. I am on the Harley board too as that is my first love but this Jeep thing is getting as addictive lol. Anyways, So i bought my Rubicon used with 16,000 miles last month and I have paperwork in the glovebox for a Taser. I am not sure where it is supposed to be but I looked under the dash and I haven't found anything. I will say this, I have an aftermarket camera on the front grill that I am pretty sure is by Tazer. It shows up on my screen. So is this thing a one time program or does it have to stay on Jeep at all times for functions to work? In other words, Did previous owner program and than remove it? Sounds like a Tazer would be the way to go for me as I plan to get 35 or 37 Tires down the road! Greatly appreciate all the advice .

Chris

 

[roaniecowpony]

I use JSCAN so I purchased the Tazer SGW connection cables and created my own modified cable using half of the Tazer extension cable and the autostopstart eliminator cable. I did this to avoid having another length of cable under the dash while still having the convenience of the extension cable.

Details?

 

[Ratbert]

Wow,
Didn.t expect to get so much feedback but very good education. I have read all the post. Awesome, I am really enjoying the board. I am on the Harley board too as that is my first love but this Jeep thing is getting as addictive lol. Anyways, So i bought my Rubicon used with 16,000 miles last month and I have paperwork in the glovebox for a Taser. I am not sure where it is supposed to be but I looked under the dash and I haven't found anything. I will say this, I have an aftermarket camera on the front grill that I am pretty sure is by Tazer. It shows up on my screen. So is this thing a one time program or does it have to stay on Jeep at all times for functions to work? In other words, Did previous owner program and than remove it? Sounds like a Tazer would be the way to go for me as I plan to get 35 or 37 Tires down the road! Greatly appreciate all the advice .

Chris

If you have a Tazer that's connected / working then your auto start/stop button should stay set at whatever you had it set to before turning off the Jeep.

One way to verify that you have a working Tazer is to put the screen behind the steering wheel into "Audio" mode, then press / hold the left arrow button on your steering wheel. Then hit cruise cancel. If that comes up with a dorky looking interface then you've got a Tazer. You can also dig behind the knee panel under the steering wheel to find it, but it could be hidden in there.

 

[rk911]

I use and recommend the Autostop Eliminator. It costs less than the competing product. Installation is straightforward (no dash disassembly required), and the functioning has been flawless. The wiring and connectors have a factory-grade quality to them.

Both are one-trick ponies, so shopping on price makes sense here.

That’s the one I chose. Works perfectly!

 

[dstevens]

The Fed EPA is still on the fence and didn't commit one way or the other in this article. Disabling Your Vehicle’s Stop-Start System – Legal Or Against the Law | Torque News

I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. But I have put vehicles through both CARB and EPA testing and received EO and 49 state approval.

The EPA at times does not behave like an autonomous body so each region can interpret the regulations differently at times. The EPA also never ever wants to clarify a regulation because they like to leave things unresolved so that they can always use the threat of a court action for enforcement actions. For example, the EPA has never fully clarified where race car engines fit into their regulations. The current policy is that the EPA believes that if any engine was ever manufactured with emissions controls then the controls can never be removed from the engine, but they also have said they will not enforce this against genuine race cars, presumably because they know what the backlash would be like. So once again they don't want to clarify anything and want to leave their options open. And also they miss the point that it is ridiculous to allow a purpose build race engine to have no controls yet insist on controls for a production based race engine.

The EPA is terrified of comming up against a company with some resources, going to court and losing, therefore setting a precident. So they mostly target either very clear violations (VW, Harley etc) or small operators in the middle. They never bring actions against individuals.

The premise that an engine start/stop disable is a defeat device falls apart once you look at it. For a start, if the ESS disable was a defeat device then all manufacturers that provide an off button (not all do) would be tampering and in violation of the clean air act. I'm also not sure if the ESS can be regulated if is not listed under CAA title II. The CAA defeat device wording is clumsy since it was written for mechanical devices but since ESS does not affect measured pollutants then it would be a stretch to include it.

EPA or CARB testing only measures certain pollutants so unless they start to include CO2 any compliance test would be unchanged from stock. So testing would not make any sense.

The manufacturers and distibutors of the ESS off devices need to man up and sell in CA. Both EPA and CARB have reasonable people working for them and I would be very surprised if they ever took enforcement action against the use of a device when there is so much more low hanging fruit and that they can regulate an ESS disable is so unclear.

 

[roaniecowpony]

I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. But I have put vehicles through both CARB and EPA testing and received EO and 49 state approval.

The EPA at times does not behave like an autonomous body so each region can interpret the regulations differently at times. The EPA also never ever wants to clarify a regulation because they like to leave things unresolved so that they can always use the threat of a court action for enforcement actions. For example, the EPA has never fully clarified where race car engines fit into their regulations. The current policy is that the EPA believes that if any engine was ever manufactured with emissions controls then the controls can never be removed from the engine, but they also have said they will not enforce this against genuine race cars, presumably because they know what the backlash would be like. So once again they don't want to clarify anything and want to leave their options open. And also they miss the point that it is ridiculous to allow a purpose build race engine to have no controls yet insist on controls for a production based race engine.

The EPA is terrified of comming up against a company with some resources, going to court and losing, therefore setting a precident. So they mostly target either very clear violations (VW, Harley etc) or small operators in the middle. They never bring actions against individuals.

The premise that an engine start/stop disable is a defeat device falls apart once you look at it. For a start, if the ESS disable was a defeat device then all manufacturers that provide an off button (not all do) would be tampering and in violation of the clean air act. I'm also not sure if the ESS can be regulated if is not listed under CAA title II. The CAA defeat device wording is clumsy since it was written for mechanical devices but since ESS does not affect measured pollutants then it would be a stretch to include it.

EPA or CARB testing only measures certain pollutants so unless they start to include CO2 any compliance test would be unchanged from stock. So testing would not make any sense.

The manufacturers and distibutors of the ESS off devices need to man up and sell in CA. Both EPA and CARB have reasonable people working for them and I would be very surprised if they ever took enforcement action against the use of a device when there is so much more low hanging fruit and that they can regulate an ESS disable is so unclear.

If you dig around, you can find where the Supreme Court ruled that fuel economy requirements (CAFE) devices are not Clean Air Act devices. So all these ESS defeat devices are not pollution system defeating devices.

 

[Shark01]

Just buy a 392, no ESS, no aftermarket wiring, no legal issues….and as a side benefit…..you get the best Jeep EVER.

Instead of a ESS button, you get a button that opens up the exhaust so you can scare children and show the neighborhood who the boss is at 5 AM….LOL

 

[Terrymo]

The Tazer SGW extension harness is just two individual wiring harnesses connected together with Tesa tape. I removed the Tesa tape and used one leg of the SGW harness with the auto start stop eliminator harness and rewrapped them together into “one harness” with fuzzy Tesa tape
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NN6B9R6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

So easy even a nitwit can do it.

 

[jludave]

When you use Taser for this function, does it take out the remote start feature?

No.

I was reading the JSCAN (which is what I have) web FAQs and it takes out the remote start.

Because this method is not the proper way to disable ESS. The JSCAN method disconnects the hood pin/switch which is required to be connected for remote start to work properly. The hood pin/switch is a safety feature.

 

[Skltr]

Just buy a 392, no ESS, no aftermarket wiring, no legal issues….and as a side benefit…..you get the best Jeep EVER.

Trackhawk folks may not always agree, haha

 

[m3reno]

@roaniecowpony or anyone in Calif...

If you are considering an offering that deals with stop start.... consider finding a friend of relative that lives outside of Calif. and have them buy the SmartStopStart unit (you give them the $) and have them mail it to you..

Do read all the reviews/negative reviews on Amazon in regard to ALL the knockoffs....

Do take into consideration that user's here know people that have had issues with the knockoffs..

Do appreciate why most everyone here on the forum went with the SmartStopStart in regard to to such a single purpose device. Sure, a few guys did go with a knockoff..

Why install a knockoff offering that is lets say iffy.

SmartStopStart unit has a 3 yr. warranty! YES, 3 years!
You can buy the SmartStopStart for $99.00
@SmartStopStart.com is a forum Sponsor and the owner of SSS is a fellow JL owner
You can easily resell your StopStart unit someday when your JL is history
SmartStopStart has a smaller footprint


Disclaimer: No, I do not work for SmartStopStart... 8-)


I went with SmartStop and it has worked flawlessly. No issues, No dash lights. BUT I did try a knock off from Amazon that connects to your ESS button on your dash so you don't have to install it from under your dash. Just one word, Garbage!! It never worked and even when they sent me a second unit it still never disabled the ESS. Finally I went with the SmartStop and have had 0 issues.

 

[autotragic]

Trackhawk folks may not always agree, haha

Well they would try to catch up just to tell you how much they disagree but once you turn down a dirt road they'd have to go back to town and then they just grumble about it on the internet.

 

[2nd 392]

Just buy a 392, no ESS, no aftermarket wiring, no legal issues….and as a side benefit…..you get the best Jeep EVER.

Instead of a ESS button, you get a button that opens up the exhaust so you can scare children and show the neighborhood who the boss is at 5 AM….LOL

Aggravatingly — you don’t get an MDS Off button instead . No simple unplug something, PNP or Tazer elimination. Neighbors wonder why you don’t get the needed tune-up that sounds like it’s running on 4 cyls. , because it is.
All I ask we already have for ESS. An off button that takes a second to push.

ESS off buttons are being eliminated on vehicles, be thankful Jeep hasn’t ….. Yet ….

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