Eliminating AUTO Stop

[AndySpill]

I see there are 2 companies where you can buy a part to eliminate the engine being cut off at stop lights. Is there one that is preferred? I have one from my GMC but you had to rip the dash apart. I am not a fan of constantly pressing the button not do I want to be changing a starter. I only think this will lead to more issues in the future. Any recommendations and place to purchase? Website discounts?

Thanks
Chris

You've gotten this in a slightly different form from prior posts on this thread that I just want to reword.

A good reply to a question here isn't sometimes going to simply answer it exactly in the form it's written, it's going to get you to think, ideally ahead, about things you might have not considered.

This said, please review the features of the JL Tazer before you buy simply a start stop device. You may like the other features the Tazer offers in addition to start stop and buying it is cheaper than buying a Start Stop device and THEN a Tazer.

If the features don't interest you or the money's not there right now or both, I get it..just get a start stop device.

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[Wylie E. Coyote]

And…… and….. and…..the list is long, .. I haven’t touched that ess button in over 5 years and never even think about it until one of these threads pop up…

I dislike the auto start/stop on our Chevy Traverse. I use the button to deactivate it every time I get in. On my Jeep, that feature is very subtle so I don't mess with the button. And no need to wire up extra electronics. Works for me!

 

[zouch]

aside from the other benefits of a Tazer that are so frequently mentioned (tire and gear change corrections, anti-sway bar and/or locker control, Fog Light anti-dropout) is my personal fav;
a Tazer will engage your Hood Switches so that the factory alarm also works on the hood (like it should have from the dang factory!).

 

[roaniecowpony]

In one quote from a FCA engineer about the 3.6, he inferred that the start-stop shortened the engine life.

 

[AndySpill]

At first, I thought it was clear that a CARB approval would be required. After reading this article and doing some reading of CA codes, I'm not so sure. The Fed EPA is still on the fence and didn't commit one way or the other in this article. Disabling Your Vehicle’s Stop-Start System – Legal Or Against the Law | Torque News

Below is the CA code. But keep in mind that the EPA Federal code reads very similarly. So, if CA says it's a violation, very likely EPA would as well. But (h)(1) and (2) are really the question. Are start-stop systems a "required motor vehicle pollution control device" or will it meet emission standards with the modification to start-stop per (h)(2)?

California Code, Vehicle Code - VEH § 27156
27156.
(a) No person shall operate or leave standing upon a highway a motor vehicle that is a gross polluter, as defined in Section 39032.5 of the Health and Safety Code.
(b) No person shall operate or leave standing upon a highway a motor vehicle that is required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device under Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code or any other certified motor vehicle pollution control device required by any other state law or any rule or regulation adopted pursuant to that law, or required to be equipped with a motor vehicle pollution control device pursuant to the National Emission Standards Act (42 U.S.C. Secs. 7521 to 7550, inclusive) and the standards and regulations adopted pursuant to that federal act, unless the motor vehicle is equipped with the required motor vehicle pollution control device that is correctly installed and in operating condition. No person shall disconnect, modify, or alter any such required device.
(c) No person shall install, sell, offer for sale, or advertise any device, apparatus, or mechanism intended for use with, or as a part of, a required motor vehicle pollution control device or system that alters or modifies the original design or performance of the motor vehicle pollution control device or system.
(d) If the court finds that a person has willfully violated this section, the court shall impose the maximum fine that may be imposed in the case, and no part of the fine may be suspended.
(e) “Willfully,” as used in this section, has the same meaning as the meaning of that word prescribed in Section 7 of the Penal Code.
(f) No person shall operate a vehicle after notice by a traffic officer that the vehicle is not equipped with the required certified motor vehicle pollution control device correctly installed in operating condition, except as may be necessary to return the vehicle to the residence or place of business of the owner or driver or to a garage, until the vehicle has been properly equipped with such a device.
(g) The notice to appear issued or complaint filed for a violation of this section shall require that the person to whom the notice to appear is issued, or against whom the complaint is filed, produce proof of correction pursuant to Section 40150 or proof of exemption pursuant to Section 4000.1 or 4000.2.
(h) This section shall not apply to an alteration, modification, or modifying device, apparatus, or mechanism found by resolution of the State Air Resources Board to do either of the following:
(1) Not to reduce the effectiveness of a required motor vehicle pollution control device.
(2) To result in emissions from the modified or altered vehicle that are at levels that comply with existing state or federal standards for that model-year of the vehicle being modified or converted.
(i) Aftermarket and performance parts with valid State Air Resources Board Executive Orders may be sold and installed concurrent with a motorcycle’s transfer to an ultimate purchaser.
(j) This section applies to motor vehicles of the United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal law.

Edit:
This appears to have been determined by SCOTUS that CAFE (fuel economy) and pollution control are not governed as one.

Know what I find humorous about this:
§ 27156c effectively incriminates Stellantis with their dual AGM battery models.

What's my reasoning...?

Stellantis offers for sale a device intended for use with, or as a part of, a required motor vehicle pollution control device or system that alters or modifies the original design or performance of the motor vehicle pollution control device or system in its incorporation of a motorcycle battery that runs the ESS for the first "3 days of ownership" and then by design craps out whereafter ESS doesn't engage again.

 

[longfiredragon]

ESS a little annoying.

I removed the neg. Terminal from the aux. Battery. Then removed fuse F42
Got a continuous message when first start the jeep, then the light in the instrument cluster.

I let this go for over 2 weeks now because I remember reading on this topic and how the message and light should go away. This is with driving it every day at least once.

But, the message and light are not going away. So I put fuse F42 back in.

I have started it two times and I am still getting the message and light. At this point the only thing changed is the neg. On the aux. Battery is disconnected.

Will the message and light go away? Do I need to clear the code?

I am just going to go with a smart Stop/start, but I want the warning message and light gone first.

Thanks

 

[HipCheck]

The Autostop Eliminator is super easy. Well worth the $80 or so. Install and forget it.

 

[longfiredragon]

The Autostop Eliminator is super easy. Well worth the $80 or so. Install and forget it.

We're you trying to answer My question?

I have the auto stop eliminator already, (not installed yet) but it will not remove a failure message or the light. Which makes sense as it's not designed to do that. Plus the owner/mfg told me it won't do anything to remove the failure code.

I just want the message and light gone, then I will install the eliminator.

 

[Betty 2019 JL]

You can unplug the hood switch and it takes start-stop offline. But you get a dash light. Not that dash lights bother everyone. Or you can unplug in the interim, until you get a permanent solution.

 

[MCMXLI]

This is my auto start-stop "eliminator". Works every time with no issues.

 

[Deleted Member RoadNomad]

I have a SmartStopStart which has been bulletproof, I recently sold of my JLUR, PM me if your interested in it.

 

[SWISTAK]

The Taser will remember the last setting of the ESS, essentially disabling it without turning on any dash lights. If you plan to do mods, bigger tires, gears etc the Taser will let you change vehicle settings to accommodate your mods. It also has a feature to enable a PIN using your cruise control buttons that will lock the brakes if the vehicle is driven or put in gear without the PIN being entered. Not a 100% anti theft device, but another layer to make it more difficult to steal your Jeep. You can check it out at www.zautomotive.com

TAZER IT THE WAY TO GO, SO MAY WONDERFUL OPTIONS SO MUCH FUN STUFF TO TRY. KEEP AND EYE ON EBAY SOMETIME THEY HAVE USED ONES. I PICKED ONE UP FOR $150

 

[alphawolff]

In one quote from a FCA engineer about the 3.6, he inferred that the start-stop shortened the engine life.

It's mainly the battery that dies, but yeah. They had to use an expensive fancy coating on some bearing surfaces so they'd last the 150k the engine is designed for. They were especially worried about the 0w-20

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