Flipping a daily driver

[Mtpisgah]

Just do not flip it like this person did. The road is narrow with a big drop, but she was probably looking at her phone.

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[phageghost]

As for that Wrangler... All the horsepower unleashed and all the nanny features disabled. Plus a sick sequential shifter.
As for the drivers.. just take a look at Pastrana's list of injuries he's endured in his life to be at the skill level he's at. It's amazing he's even alive.

Most professional drivers will tell you, finding you and your vehicle's "100%" ability is tricky because the only way you know you've exceeded that ability is when you've lost control.

“The Edge . . . There is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over. The others-the living-are those who pushed their control as far as they felt they could handle it, and then pulled back, or slowed down, or did whatever they had to when it came time to choose between Now and Later. But the edge is still out there."
-Hunter S. Thompson

 

[Tech Tim]

Jeeps are far more stable than what Consumer Reports will every tell you (they HATE Jeeps).

Not as much as they HATE Suzuki Samurais..... ???

 

[GearWhore]

It'll take a lot more than you think to roll or even get light on the inside wheels, but if conditions change it can also happen fast. Find an empty parking lot (one without curbs or lights) that you can push a little at lower speeds and see how the Jeep reacts. Try it in dry, wet, and snow if you can. You'll quickly get a better feel for what the Jeep is telling you.

I installed what I called a "play switch" under the dash in my JKURs that would disable all traction control and nannies. Was mostly for RWD drifts in the snow and gravel but would work on wet pavement, too. Biggest issue was surface traction changes. If you've got a good slide with some sideways speed and hit a lot of traction all of that mass wants to go somewhere quickly. Hitting a curb sideways in the snow is the only time I've lifted an inside tire and that was totally on me being stupid.

I did roll my old XJ and had it on the sides a few times off-road, but that was a long time ago and it cost a lot less. Came pretty close to rolling this JL on the Escalator last year but kept a steady foot and it climbed its way out.

 

[Creeker]

There is video out there what looks like a Jeep JLU is running from the Police. While at speed, a PIT maneuver was used. The JLR slid down the highway but did not initially roll over during its 180 Degree spin. It was not until it was the JLU was going backwards and tried to complete the 360 degree maneuver did the Jeep flip on its side. After the Jeep stop on its side, it looked in relatively good condition (nothing a little wax and a polishing rag could not address :D).

 

[Flatties 4ever]

Both the Flattie and JL in this video are 2wd vehicles. The JL is specifically set up to drift. There is no comparison to a typical JL. Great video though, Thanks!

As for real life, I rolled a 46 Willys on the road going 70 mph (V6 & O.D.) - I cut my little finger on windshield glass between the ground and my steering wheel contacting the ground on the last roll. I prayed as my Jeep rolled, to this day I am convinced Jesus saved my life that day. When I tore it down to rebuild it, the seat belt bolt holes were pulled up like little funnels. All I have to say is use your seat belts, a 'real' roll bar, hold on and pray.

 

[Beachcomber72]

As mentioned in several responses above, it’s a highly specialized wrangler that’s been specifically set up for these type stunts. You’d never in real life be able to do as such in any off the lot factory wrangler. Not even a 392 with a stock sport height.

But in regards to your main question yes our vehicles can easily tip/roll over. Not as easy as an old Suzuki Samurai but can definitely happen.

But if you decide to go full send just make sure to post a video for us all.

 

[JLUW75]

Here is the video for those who haven't seen it yet:

awesome video and driving! Beautiful salute to our veterans! But, I wonder what motor they stuffed in that JL?

 

[Xspurt]

With the crazy times we're in with what's happening in the car markets and such, when I saw the title of this thread I thought I was going to read about someone contemplating selling their recently purchased Wrangler for a profit!

 

[Erobinson78]

I've posted stuff on this site and had great reactions and some terrible. Mostly the people here are great if you aren't asking a stupid question. I'm worried this one is stupid, please go easy on me. I've had three Rubi's and never flipped one on road or off. I'm always worried about flipping on road though. I just watched the Black Rifle Coffee video and I'm starting to wonder if I've taken it too easy. I don't plan on drifting or anything, but how hard is it top actually flip a Jeep just driving on roads, or even doing doughnuts. I drive on a windy road every day and I slow down a lot before the curves, maybe I don't need to. Maybe it will skid a little before anything terrible happens. Any advice would be appreciated....

My wife watched a stock JK flip getting off the freeway a few years back. Made a quick maneuver across lanes that resulted in a short drift and boom it was on its top. It is an SUV so flipping is not that difficult. Like most I am guessing you get one evasive turn and one correction, if you are lucky before you pick up wheels. Plan accordingly.

 

[ABRubi]

With the crazy times we're in with what's happening in the car markets and such, when I saw the title of this thread I thought I was going to read about someone contemplating selling their recently purchased Wrangler for a profit!

My first thought also

 

[Zandcwhite]

Flipping on road, especially with MT’s that simply don’t grip well is much harder than people seem to think. There just isn’t enough traction, the rear end will absolutely slide before you get enough traction to roll in my experience. Donuts, drifting, etc have never been an issue even on 38’s and 3.5” of lift…on road. Donuts off road can go south in a hurry. We were swing wide donuts in a huge empty gravel lot at about 40mph when the passenger tires dug in hard and the drivers side came about 6’ of the ground. Fortunately luck was on my side as instinctively turned into it and blipped the throttle and it came back down on all 4 tires. I remember looking across my buddy in the passenger seat at the ground and thinking “this is going to be expensive”. Only injury was his wife elbow dropping mine in the temple in the back seat when her hand slipped off the grab handle when the violent stop happened. Needless to say, I don’t do off road donuts in the lifted Jeep anymore. No video unfortunately, but pics of just how far onto the passenger tires it leaned. Tires were clean before the incident first reference.

 

[Zandcwhite]

If your traction control is on and your Jeep hasn't yelled at you for your driving, you've never even been close to flipping it. Seriously, the JL's traction control will make it perfectly clear that you're driving it too hard well before you flip. It will sound alarms and throttle you down regardless of how much you mash the gas pedal. You will absolutely know when traction control intervenes.

Don't ask me how I know this. I'll plead the fifth.

You're looking at a professional stunt driver in a Jeep with many safety systems intentionally disabled to do what they're doing.

Who drives a Jeep with the traction control on? One of my favorite features of the tazer is it remembers to leave that garbage off for me. The first time you hit some mud or a loose hill climb on a dirt road with it on and it kills all power and damn near gets you stuck will be the last time you find it acceptable to ever be on in a Jeep, or at least it was for me.

 

[ABRubi]

6’ of the ground

Had to go out and measure. The tires are about 5 1/2 feet apart ?

 

[Reinen]

Who drives a Jeep with the traction control on? One of my favorite features of the tazer is it remembers to leave that garbage off for me. The first time you hit some mud or a loose hill climb on a dirt road with it on and it kills all power and damn near gets you stuck will be the last time you find it acceptable to ever be on in a Jeep, or at least it was for me.

Most people drive with Traction Control always on.
Many drive with Traction Control on most of the time.

So you find one situation where it's appropriate to turn traction control off (which is why it can be turned off) and therefore it should be turned off everywhere?
Were you in 4WD LO in that mud and now always drive everywhere in 4WD LO?
Was it a warm sunny day so you never put your top on again?
That's just silly.

I'll agree that Traction Control is poorly named and is counter-intuitive. It should be something like On-Road Traction Control. It does expect pavement to be under the tires and it works quite well when there is. It gets confused where there isn't pavement under the tires so that's when it should be turned off.

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