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If you can't get anywhere with the dealer, you can do it without them. Tell the body shop to build into their price a lifetime warranty on the issue not returning. Of course make sure Jeep will pay that bill first.

This on both 23s and 24s, on the lot or order? Is the discount arrived at by dealer keeping any rebates or incentives?

I moved from CO to NC 8 years ago and I'm getting ready to go back myself. Knowing what I know now I would not have moved in the first place. The main reason though is family/friend driven.

Dumb or criminally smart?

That and to keep the lithium cells from bursting into flames. I'm not slamming the 4xe, I'm just used to working with lithium ion and lithium polymer rechargables. Going below 2.5v per cell can ruin them and cause them to burn as well.

They are increasing the rake (angle) of the windshied which "could" help reduce breakage "somewhat." Think of my quotes above as strong disclaimers! :LOL:

I'm pretty sure Lexus lied to you. Jeep won't go down that road nor will any other mfg unless they repeal the Magnuson-Moss Act.

It's all vehicle dealers across all brands. I call them the "Golden Blinders." I knew this would happen ... they would become addicted to the lemmings that mindlessly flowed in with fistfuls of cheap credit. It's going to be a tough road back to normal. Some manufactures are not in a hurry...

LOL, you beat me to it with the Trunk Monkey! Anyhow, here is a video on someone easily and quietly defeating "The Club." The guy talks and works slow in this video because it wasn't that kind of demo so you can fast forward to about the 1:25 time index. He's finished by 1:50 but again, he...

I agree except we're talking about a company that still struggles with old tech that's already been proven for decades. They can't even seat fuses correctly so expect a few challenges for them when it comes to new concepts.

That would work is some snow conditions but not all. This was rarely an issue with incandescents/halogens because they throw the heat right out of the front. LEDs make plenty of heat (possibly more) but it's in the electronics part of the fixture. If you use a powerful LED flashlight, you...

It doesn't seem like you're getting enough for your trade. What did your current 2 door cost? If you add that number to the difference, how far over the cost of just buying that 392 is it?

Those second batteries sound just like the ones that go to my riding mower and jet ski. Those last about 3 years then they're done. However, they do make good ones. The last mower battery is now a couple of years past when it "should" have died and is still going. I went with the auto part's...

I feel bad for any truck drivers who also own a Harley, an RV, a Vette, a boat and of course a Jeep becuase there is WAY too much to keep track of. Someone must make a suction cup that waves for you by now? Of course the Harley owners wouldn't want to wave at any Japanese bikes and the...

I thought we'd see some dealers go down before a factory. Yikes.

No two words are more polar opposites or mutually exclusive as "Forum" and "Consensus." :CWL::CWL:

This day and age might be over. There are lots of Wrangler 4xes sitting unsold on lots. My local dealer has SEVEN 2023s and even a 2022! A couple of them might be in transit but the rest are physically there. Of course dealers could be leaving sold units up for bait but I doubt it as talk of...

How do you know what was negotiated? What makes you think they can get MORE when these vehicles are starting to fill up the lots. "lol"

Even if what they said about not being able to resell the car were true, they can still finish the deal with you. The fact that they ARE a Jeep dealer makes this extra stupid on their part. I would give them an ultimatum to follow through with the deal or else. The "or else" can be up to you...

I'm not sure why so many are saying it's between the delivery driver and the Jeep ... The DEALER is responsible for the vehicle. They didn't take it and say "hey, I'm parking this over here on your behalf, are you okay with that?" Whatever happened to the vehicle, WHILE THE DEALER HAD COMPLETE...