A better V6?

[Deleted User 38384]

If you bought your Wrangler to to Jeep things, the EcoDiesel wasn't even an option.

Funny, I don't remember any non-diesel Humvees. In fact, if you're doing Jeep things, the only option is the diesel engine.

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[AFD]

What you really get is not having to deal with the non-eTorque's 2nd battery.

I want to know if the BSG can be hacked to stay on longer... like two wheel turns.

While this is true, at least it's simple enough to bypass the mini ESS battery. Whereas, if you buy an eTorque, you're pretty much stuck with the entire system forever.

That would be really cool if someone found a way to "tune" the eTorque system just a little, but as much as aftermarket companies proactively avoid creating any products/services with the system, I highly doubt it would ever be a thing, even if it was possible.

The eTorque works really well for me. It's zippy off-the-line and shift points are nearly imperceptible, but otherwise, all the small 'cons' add up and greatly outweigh the very few and mostly negligible benefits. I really just wanted a v6 without it, but that wasn't possible at the time for whatever reason.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Funny, I don't remember any non-diesel Humvees. In fact, if you're doing Jeep things, the only option is the diesel engine.

I've never seen a humvee on the rubicon trail. Don't see many diesels either. See a shit ton of gas powered Jeeps though. 4cyl, I6, v6, v8 are all more common at doing Jeep things in the real world.

 

[Billkowski]

While this is true, at least it's simple enough to bypass the mini ESS battery. Whereas, if you buy an eTorque, you're pretty much stuck with the entire system forever.

That would be really cool if someone found a way to "tune" the eTorque system just a little, but as much as aftermarket companies proactively avoid creating any products/services with the system, I highly doubt it would ever be a thing, even if it was possible.

The eTorque works really well for me. It's zippy off-the-line and shift points are nearly imperceptible, but otherwise, all the small 'cons' add up and greatly outweigh the very few and mostly negligible benefits. I really just wanted a v6 without it, but that wasn't possible at the time for whatever reason.

I have both, in my experience the etorque is far superior, smoother and just more zip, I don't think it gets the kudos it should. I have put a new intake and muffler on it, mostly for the sound, but with no issues.

 

[RudeJeepin]

If we're talking about "A Better V6", why has no one brought up the EcoDiesel?

260 hp @ 3,600 rpm
442 lb-ft @ 1,400 rpm

The Ram version is 260hp and 480 lb-ft, so we get similar treatment as the gasser.
But ya, I agree, it's the better the V6.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

 

[Pape]

Torque is probably the issue, which is only 9 lb.ft. more. Could probably be limited in low RPM to save the clutch anyway.


I feel like 2-doors with eTorque are the bastard JLs. FWIW: the 2018 2-doors have a whole gallon more tank capacity, which causes some skid plate fitment issues (was M.O.R.E. but they probably fixed it). Next Venture's rear diff skid needs to be clearanced slightly for the 48V battery at stock Rubicon height.

But my favorite 2-door screwing was when Banks Power confirmed their upcoming 3" Monster Exhaust would fit a 2-door eTorque, but then only released it for the 4-door.



What you really get is not having to deal with the non-eTorque's 2nd battery.

I want to know if the BSG can be hacked to stay on longer... like two wheel turns.

Technically you could keep the BSG longer, according to this guy, the etorque is limited to ensure long live

 

[Ratbert]

I've never seen a humvee on the rubicon trail. Don't see many diesels either. See a shit ton of gas powered Jeeps though. 4cyl, I6, v6, v8 are all more common at doing Jeep things in the real world.

Are you equating more common with better?

 

[Zandcwhite]

Are you equating more common with better?

If there are more Jeeps doing Jeep things with them, I'd argue that they are better at said Jeep things by the numbers alone? Many of those rigs on those trails are built rigs, engine swapped rigs, and still very few are diesels. Nobody is swapping ecodiesels into ICE vehicles, and yet there's an entire industry swapping Hemis and LS/LT motors into all types of Jeeps? Clearly the better v6 is the gas powered one... with 2 extra cylinders.

 

[PT's19Rubi]

Sorry for the tangent, but given the choice of any V-6 I would vote for the Ford 3.5 ecoboost. 400 hp & 500 lb/ft. The wife's F150 doesn't even know our 5,000 lb. camper is back there

 

[AnnDee4444]

Funny, I don't remember any non-diesel Humvees. In fact, if you're doing Jeep things, the only option is the diesel engine.

Aren't Humvees a little too refined for you?

If there are more Jeeps doing Jeep things with them, I'd argue that they are better at said Jeep things by the numbers alone?

I would think that by definition "Jeep Things" have to be done (1) by a Jeep, and (2) be the majority. Otherwise it would be a "VW Thing" or a "Jeep Exception". Obviously the most Jeeps are at the mall, and there are other non-Wrangler Jeeps, so that definition is more of an aspiration than a rule. And while 4-doors may be the majority of JKs & JLs, I would be interested to know what the average CJ/Wrangler produced was. I bet it's not diesel.

 

[jellis4148]

Wonder if you could do a Ram intake swap and gain a little HP? I know you could put the Mustang intake on an F-150 and gain HP. I would do that if it would work and fit.

 

[Ron Texas]

After reading the responses above my intuition tells me there is no hugely difficult engineering problem to get an additional 20 hp out of a Wrangler V6. However, there may be other reasons like marketing on the RAM side or fuel economy on the Wrangler side.

 

[Zandcwhite]

After reading the responses above my intuition tells me there is no hugely difficult engineering problem to get an additional 20 hp out of a Wrangler V6. However, there may be other reasons like marketing on the RAM side or fuel economy on the Wrangler side.

It's cooling and space. I'm not sure the ram intake would clear the hood and I guarantee the radiator wouldn't fit. Yes you can tune the v6 for those additional horsepower but I'd keep an eye on temps especially in a high load scenario like climbing a steep grade in the summer heat.

 

[Gorilla57]

It's cooling and space. I'm not sure the ram intake would clear the hood and I guarantee the radiator wouldn't fit. Yes you can tune the v6 for those additional horsepower but I'd keep an eye on temps especially in a high load scenario like climbing a steep grade in the summer heat.

I've got the Livernois tune and one of the changes they made was in the cooling fan profile. They have it turning on way sooner and it really does control the temps, very similar to RPM Extreme's.

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