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[Ratbert]

Here are the builds by month:

month	# sequence numbers	# build sheets	% w/build sheets	# domestic build sheets	# domestic window stickers	% domestic in progress
Oct '21	12,400​	11,703​	94.4​	10,227​	9,925​	3.0​
Nov '21	13,099​	11,571​	88.3​	10,413​	10,181​	2.2​
Dec '21	32,583​	28,682​	88.0​	19,088​	18,859​	1.2​
Jan '22	30,742​	24,170​	78.6​	17,272​	16,904​	2.1​
Feb '22	24,976​	13,958​	55.9​	9,914​	9,231​	6.9​
Mar '22	22,569​	3,859​	17.1​	3,287​	2,513​	23.5​
Apr '22	​	437​	​	427​	216​	49.4​

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[bjm00se]

I restructured how I calculate this table to include builds that don't have window stickers yet. This seems to make a lot more sense now. Note that I exclude everything that I found on my day 1 since that would severely skew the results. That last row is pretty disturbing.

days between build sheet & window sticker	builds completed	%	accumulated %
0​	8,381​	36.5​	36.5​
snip/snip	...	...	...
39​	1​	0.0​	88.7​
started but not finished builds​	2,590​	11.3​	100.0​

It is an interesting data anomaly. I wonder what it means.

If they're running two shifts, they build like 900 wranglers a day. So that's nearly three days of production. If they were in progress but unfinished, that would need roughly 20 acres of parking, which certainly seems possible on a 312 acre complex.

So it's certainly possible to speculate some forgotten wasteland of Jeeps - complete except for some critical part (ha! ignition key! :-D ) waiting for a surplus shipment of parts to be received so they can be retrofitted, completed, and shipped on their way after otherwise finishing on the line.

But I still wonder if there's some simpler explanation?

 

[Oskaloosa Mailman]

Since my Jeep was for whatever reason not an accepted order for a month after placed with the dealership, my now 11/11/21 order is in an elite group!

 

[Ratbert]

It is an interesting data anomaly. I wonder what it means.

If they're running two shifts, they build like 900 wranglers a day. So that's nearly three days of production. If they were in progress but unfinished, that would need roughly 20 acres of parking, which certainly seems possible on a 312 acre complex.

So it's certainly possible to speculate some forgotten wasteland of Jeeps - complete except for some critical part (ha! ignition key! :-D ) waiting for a surplus shipment of parts to be received so they can be retrofitted, completed, and shipped on their way after otherwise finishing on the line.

But I still wonder if there's some simpler explanation?

255 of those can be accounted for since the first chunk of VINs never got window stickers. I should probably exclude those from everything.

There could be other similar holes in the first month(s) that I haven't identified yet, but my analysis of 10k of mid-2020 domestic builds showed that 100% of VINs with build sheets also got window stickers.

 

[Ratbert]

Since my Jeep was for whatever reason not an accepted order for a month after placed with the dealership, my now 11/11/21 order is in an elite group!

Oh, your sequence number is significantly higher than expected?

 

[casblue505]

Sorry, I don't see anything that could be holding yours up. The cargo tub liner is rare (3.3%) along with grab handles at 7.9% of orders. Those are both getting build sheets.


Thanks for checking it out, I appreciate it. My sale guy called me 2 weeks ago and said I was finally in D1...however nothing since so I'm skeptical


Instances of MOPAR Cargo Tub Liner over time:

day	build sheets	window stickers	in progress
2022-03-19	1,405	1,277	128
2022-03-20	24	21	131
2022-03-21	15	10	136
2022-03-22	23	11	148
2022-03-23	40	0	188
2022-03-24	2	0	190
2022-03-25	19	0	209
2022-03-26	0	34	175
2022-03-27	2	82	95
2022-03-28	43	26	112
2022-03-29	33	28	117
2022-03-30	36	24	129
2022-03-31	6	12	123
2022-04-01	36	39	120
2022-04-02	0	19	101
2022-04-03	0	17	84
2022-04-04	45	16	113
2022-04-05	20	4	129
2022-04-06	17	16	130
2022-04-07	19	20	129
2022-04-08	25	11	143
2022-04-10	49	60	132
2022-04-11	3	1	134
2022-04-12	20	40	114
2022-04-13	36	10	140
2022-04-14	62	79	123
2022-04-15	17	15	125
2022-04-16	24	20	129
2022-04-17	0	14	115
2022-04-18	21	5	131
2022-04-19	30	32	129
2022-04-20	0	3	126
2022-04-21	38	46	118
2022-04-22	26	9	135
2022-04-23	21	15	141
2022-04-24	9	15	135
2022-04-25	26	9	152
2022-04-26	52	22	182
2022-04-27	31	22	191
2022-04-28	27	51	167
2022-04-29	11	12	166

Instances of MOPAR Grab Handle Kit over time:

day	build sheets	window stickers	in progress
2022-03-19	3,750	3,369	381
2022-03-20	50	27	404
2022-03-21	57	43	418
2022-03-22	54	42	430
2022-03-23	118	0	548
2022-03-24	3	0	551
2022-03-25	42	0	593
2022-03-26	0	107	486
2022-03-27	3	262	227
2022-03-28	74	54	247
2022-03-29	53	55	245
2022-03-30	61	52	254
2022-03-31	15	24	245
2022-04-01	72	79	238
2022-04-02	0	23	215
2022-04-03	0	23	192
2022-04-04	75	41	226
2022-04-05	56	14	268
2022-04-06	56	26	298
2022-04-07	40	30	308
2022-04-08	63	38	333
2022-04-10	115	133	315
2022-04-11	2	1	316
2022-04-12	32	66	282
2022-04-13	59	26	315
2022-04-14	147	208	254
2022-04-15	40	34	260
2022-04-16	42	67	235
2022-04-17	0	18	217
2022-04-18	40	9	248
2022-04-19	51	60	239
2022-04-20	0	2	237
2022-04-21	82	86	233
2022-04-22	34	20	247
2022-04-23	19	38	228
2022-04-24	14	33	209
2022-04-25	44	21	232
2022-04-26	96	50	278
2022-04-27	64	32	310
2022-04-28	54	73	291
2022-04-29	27	26	292

 

[TriumphJeepster]

Outside the box thinking here. Builds that "start" but never finish. Is it possible those vehicles were pulled for dealer allotments, adjusted prices (more profitable builds as they were placed after price increases) or to fix shipping issues on identical builds and VIN reassignment?

Basically, I don't see why Jeep would do that... but makes you wonder how some fly through so quick.

Like the guys I saw who ordered in April and delivered in April. Makes zero sense.

Vehicles are somehow slipping through the ether. For all those who give up and don't press the issue with Jeep, those could be the forgotten builds. The squeaky wheels typically get the grease.

Just hard to believe an auto manufacturer can build an identical vehicle ordered this month while one from 5 months ago never progresses.

 

[Ratbert]

Outside the box thinking here. Builds that "start" but never finish. Is it possible those vehicles were pulled for dealer allotments, adjusted prices (more profitable builds as they were placed after price increases) or to fix shipping issues on identical builds and VIN reassignment?

Basically, I don't see why Jeep would do that... but makes you wonder how some fly through so quick.

Like the guys I saw who ordered in April and delivered in April. Makes zero sense.

Vehicles are somehow slipping through the ether. For all those who give up and don't press the issue with Jeep, those could be the forgotten builds. The squeaky wheels typically get the grease.

Just hard to believe an auto manufacturer can build an identical vehicle ordered this month while one from 5 months ago never progresses.

Possibly, but my analysis of midyear 2020s indicates that all dometic Wranglers that got build sheets also got window stickers.

 

[CWHallman]

I need som assistance please my 12/30 order on crypto shows I now have a window sticker. How do I view the window sticker. When I go through the Jeep site it says it is not there. Any thoughts ? Thanks

 

[Oskaloosa Mailman]

Oh, your sequence number is significantly higher than expected?

Had no expectations. I placed my order at the dealership on 11/11/21. My POC shows order date of 11/11/21. No explanation on why the month difference. My sequence number is 116333.

 

[Ratbert]

I need som assistance please my 12/30 order on crypto shows I now have a window sticker. How do I view the window sticker. When I go through the Jeep site it says it is not there. Any thoughts ? Thanks

Click on these links, then replace XXX with your VIN.

https://www.jeep.com/webselfservice/BuildSheetServlet?vin=XXX

https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=XXX

 

[Ratbert]

Had no expectations. I placed my order at the dealership on 11/11/21. My POC shows order date of 11/11/21. No explanation on why the month difference. My sequence number is 116333.

Your sequence number is from the beginning of November (https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-out-what-months-our-vins-were-created.90406/). It was ordered in November.

Maybe your salesman is referring to the fact that 2022 production didn't start until December.

 

[Oskaloosa Mailman]

Your sequence number is from the beginning of November (https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-out-what-months-our-vins-were-created.90406/). It was ordered in November.

My configuration preview,when I placed my order with the dealership, is dated 10/11/21. Just not getting any answer as to why the POC order date shows a month later. Strange!

 

[Ratbert]

My configuration preview,when I placed my order with the dealership, is dated 10/11/21. Just not getting any answer as to why the POC order date shows a month later. Strange!

Ok, I was off a month. What you're describing is a dealership screw up. They apparently didn't place your order when you made it.

 

[CWHallman]

Click on these links, then replace XXX with your VIN.

https://www.jeep.com/webselfservice/BuildSheetServlet?vin=XXX

https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=XXX

Thanks!!! It worked.

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