Jeep 392 crashed into Tesla

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Looks like bald tires on the 392?

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[Zandcwhite]

Looks like bald tires on the 392?

I think that's just a bad screen shot, watching both videos they look like full tread ko2s to me.

 

[Apexcars]

Unless insurance investigators or attorneys can prove that the Tesla driver was intentionally ramming the Jeep after the accident, this is going to be 100% on the Jeep.

 

[OminousSkitter]

Unless insurance investigators or attorneys can prove that the Tesla driver was intentionally ramming the Jeep after the accident, this is going to be 100% on the Jeep.

Is this under debate? This is one of the few times I haven't seen a thread like this devolve into people arguing what insurance will or will not cover (since everyone on the internet is an expert on every topic). The comments about the ramming have mostly been sympathizing with the Jeep for leaving the scene of the accident. I think everyone has agreed the Jeep is at fault*.

*In every state I've lived in, fault is 100% on one party (no joint fault); I know some states have joint fault; I have no clue about Nevada.

 

[Apexcars]

Several people

Is this under debate? This is one of the few times I haven't seen a thread like this devolve into people arguing what insurance will or will not cover (since everyone on the internet is an expert on every topic). The comments about the ramming have mostly been sympathizing with the Jeep for leaving the scene of the accident. I think everyone has agreed the Jeep is at fault*.

*In every state I've lived in, fault is 100% on one party (no joint fault); I know some states have joint fault; I have no clue about Nevada.

Some people have been saying that only the damage for the initial hit would be on the Jeep driver and that all the damage from the second hit and any damage from going off the road would be the Tesla driver’s responsibility.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Several people
Some people have been saying that only the damage for the initial hit would be on the Jeep driver and that all the damage from the second hit and any damage from going off the road would be the Tesla driver’s responsibility.

The driver of the vehicle is responsible even when the vehicle is in full self driving mode. How would the Jeep be responsible for the stopped tesla driving into a hill side on its way fleeing the scene? They weren't run off the road. They were hit, at a complete stop after, and then drove into the other vehicle and then the hill side under their own power no matter who was "driving".

 

[Apexcars]

The whole accident should be counted as one occurrence. The proximal cause of all the damage was being run into by the Jeep.

If you are sitting in traffic and someone hits you from behind and your foot comes off the brake and you then bank into the vehicle in front of you, all of that is considered the fault of the driver that hit you in the first place.

If not for getting hit, the Tesla would not have run off the road and suffered that damage.

 

[Wbino]

Is this under debate? This is one of the few times I haven't seen a thread like this devolve into people arguing what insurance will or will not cover (since everyone on the internet is an expert on every topic). The comments about the ramming have mostly been sympathizing with the Jeep for leaving the scene of the accident. I think everyone has agreed the Jeep is at fault*.

*In every state I've lived in, fault is 100% on one party (no joint fault); I know some states have joint fault; I have no clue about Nevada.

In Nevada if you roll three 777's you're automatically not at fault.

 

[2nd 392]

Their was a 4 vehicle pileup with heavy damage in front of me in the rain. I almost got stopped but tapped the 4’th vehicle sustaining a 3” X 1” ding. My ins asked if it was drivable to bring it in for pics. When I arrived they asked where the damage was. Upon pointing out the ding he shook his head and said “this is the Wrecked Car ?! being the rear vehicle you are at fault and we have to pay”

 

[ELJL]

Omg a 392 Wrangler understeer!?!? No way!!! It’s the most agile and best handling sports car on the road today.

 

[OminousSkitter]

Several people
Some people have been saying that only the damage for the initial hit would be on the Jeep driver and that all the damage from the second hit and any damage from going off the road would be the Tesla driver’s responsibility.

I re-read every page; you're right, two people said the tesla should be responsible for everything after the initial crash. I agree with you the Jeep should be responsible for everything unless it's proven the tesla intentionally rammed the Jeep after.

 

[Zandcwhite]

The whole accident should be counted as one occurrence. The proximal cause of all the damage was being run into by the Jeep.

If you are sitting in traffic and someone hits you from behind and your foot comes off the brake and you then bank into the vehicle in front of you, all of that is considered the fault of the driver that hit you in the first place.

If not for getting hit, the Tesla would not have run off the road and suffered that damage.

Except the car drove off, turned a corner under its own power, and drive into a hillside. No differently than if the driver decided to flee the scene.

 

[dragoneggs]

Dunno... maybe they feared for their safety.

 

[OminousSkitter]

Except the car drove off, turned a corner under its own power, and drive into a hillside. No differently than if the driver decided to flee the scene.

I can think of a few reasons it would undeniably be the fault of the Jeep:
1. Mechanical failure (not likely on a tesla),
2. Electrical failure (highly likely on a tesla),
3. Tesla driver dazed/passed out/incapacitated (not likely from the video)

Some others are debatable, like FSD was enabled and that messed up/rammed the Jeep/left until they disabled it.

Others are undeniably the tesla's fault, like intentionally ramming the Jeep.

Edit: And the tesla claims the car malfunctioned after, which is why they hit the Jeep and continued on. Their car malfunctioning as a direct cause of an accident doesn't suddenly make them responsible.

 

[jbtrails]

There’s a post about the driver saying the car malfunctioned after it got hit, another video angle from the fender camera

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