There is no perfect engine

[Oilburner]

The Ecodiesel is ‘perfect’ enough for me that I will be ordering a 2022 JT as soon as I can pick a color.

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[JeepViking13]

+ 1 The 392 is the 5hit. Put it on credit. Don’t listen to anyone who hasn’t driven it.

Put it on Credit? Did you finance the whole thing? ???

 

[Romans9]

25,000 miles on a 2021 Rubi 3.0 Ecodiesel. Bought it in April. I live in Missouri. Went to Moab last month. Totally stock except for 35’s.

3.0 Ecodiesel and 8 speed auto is the perfect engine/trans combo for a Wrangler on the road or off.

I drove all the current offerings except the 392, back to back at the dealership.

Oil change costs $45 for oil filter (Parts Geek factory VM Motori/Mopar) and $42.50 for the oil.
Fuel filter is a common filter that has been used for years you can buy for $15 through Fleetguard or Baldwin both absolute rated high quality filters or a factory Mopar from Parts Geek for $39. I sample oil and change it every 10k miles. Did the first one at 500 miles (to get rid of any factory contaminates) and then 10 and 20K since. Oil samples have been perfect. Oil was hardly soot blackened.

Without sitting here going through the costs for a 3.6, 2.0, 392, or a Etorque I seriously doubt the “maintenanc costs“ are hardly a factor for a vehicle that nearly everyone buys grossly over priced highly personalized mods for…….

You don’t even have to lift the Wrangler up to change the oil and with the exception of the stupid little clamp close to the oil filter which likes to cut into your hand, it a piece of cake to do even in your own driveway.

We get anywhere from 24-31 MPG depending on road conditions. Pulling a 14 foot single axle enclosed tall (7 feet) trailer weighing 3k we get 18-22 MPG depending on road conditions.

I know the early generation Rams ecodiesel had some issues but those have been resolved.

Gale Banks was selling VM Motori engine packages for several years until FCA started using them from the factory and Banks could no longer import them.
Regardless of what you think about Banks he wouldn’t use an engine platform that was compromised.

In 25,000 miles we have put $35 worth of DEF.

Go drive a diesel and do not take advice from anyone who doesn’t actually own one.

The diesel threads on here are very entertaining but not very informative.

Anyone who says the diesels are “complicated“ yet push the Etorque………

 

[MandrewSD]

Off topic but the Bronco doesn't have perfect engine choices either. From trolling the Bronco forums some people don't like the transmission mated to the V6. Some are ordering the 4 banger because of this. Others are sticking with the V6 because they don't like 4 bangers. Thinking the MPG numbers on the V6 turbo are bad also.

The 2.7L is a good engine but they mated it to the Explorer trans instead of the F150 trans. The trans, terrible MPGs/range being reported, IFS and lack of rear AC vents combined to cause me to cancel. Ordering a JLURD as soon as the '22 banks open.

 

[nsfw_andy]

25,000 miles on a 2021 Rubi 3.0 Ecodiesel. Bought it in April. I live in Missouri. Went to Moab last month. Totally stock except for 35’s.

3.0 Ecodiesel and 8 speed auto is the perfect engine/trans combo for a Wrangler on the road or off.

I drove all the current offerings except the 392, back to back at the dealership.

Oil change costs $45 for oil filter (Parts Geek factory VM Motori/Mopar) and $42.50 for the oil.
Fuel filter is a common filter that has been used for years you can buy for $15 through Fleetguard or Baldwin both absolute rated high quality filters or a factory Mopar from Parts Geek for $39. I sample oil and change it every 10k miles. Did the first one at 500 miles (to get rid of any factory contaminates) and then 10 and 20K since. Oil samples have been perfect. Oil was hardly soot blackened.

Without sitting here going through the costs for a 3.6, 2.0, 392, or a Etorque I seriously doubt the “maintenanc costs“ are hardly a factor for a vehicle that nearly everyone buys grossly over priced highly personalized mods for…….

You don’t even have to lift the Wrangler up to change the oil and with the exception of the stupid little clamp close to the oil filter which likes to cut into your hand, it a piece of cake to do even in your own driveway.

We get anywhere from 24-31 MPG depending on road conditions. Pulling a 14 foot single axle enclosed tall (7 feet) trailer weighing 3k we get 18-22 MPG depending on road conditions.

I know the early generation Rams ecodiesel had some issues but those have been resolved.

Gale Banks was selling VM Motori engine packages for several years until FCA started using them from the factory and Banks could no longer import them.
Regardless of what you think about Banks he wouldn’t use an engine platform that was compromised.

In 25,000 miles we have put $35 worth of DEF.

Go drive a diesel and do not take advice from anyone who doesn’t actually own one.

The diesel threads on here are very entertaining but not very informative.

Anyone who says the diesels are “complicated“ yet push the Etorque………

Would you recommend the ecodiesel to someone who has never owned a diesel before?

 

[Odyssey USA]

They all have potential for downsides…pick your poison.

 

[Rodeoflyer]

3.6l auto if you live near sea level or the 2.0l if you live at elevation. I want a diesel but not sure I could live with the regen/new diesel etc stuff. I wish they would turbo the 3.6l.. a little 3.6 @ about 3lbs of boost would be fantastic at elevation.

 

[Eandras]

The 3.6 is not available without etorque and the 8 speed auto at the same time? I thought FCA had started doing that again recently due to the chip shortage??

I orded the 3.6l non e-torque with the 8 speed AT on 7/29. it is available.

 

[Herson]

I own both. No F’n way. I’ll take the power and economy of my lifted, locked, 4.56 geared, 35 tired, Rubicon fendered ‘19 Sahara eTorque 2.0 every day and twice on Sunday over our stock eTorque 3.6 ‘21 Rubicon.

It may not sound as good as a V6 but the low end power in the Sahara is even obvious to my wife, who doesn’t usually care, but made that comment out of the blue. Then we went to the mountains…and it reinforced that truth.

Last, it’s a V6. Nothing sounds good like a V8 or Vtwin motorcycle like a Harley or Ducati. A V6 can possibly sound a bit better is all.

The only 6cyl engies that sound good are the porsche gt3 boxer and the inline 6. V6 on the other hand does not sound that good.

Perhaps Jeep borrowed the 2.0T as an “economy” alternative to the V6. Making it roar might have erased whatever the 1 or 2 MPG difference the 2.0T has over the V6.

1-2 points of the reported by the EPA or real numbers. I’m getting 18 mpg combined with 35s and lift. My friend is gettin 14-15

25,000 miles on a 2021 Rubi 3.0 Ecodiesel. Bought it in April. I live in Missouri. Went to Moab last month. Totally stock except for 35’s.

3.0 Ecodiesel and 8 speed auto is the perfect engine/trans combo for a Wrangler on the road or off.

I drove all the current offerings except the 392, back to back at the dealership.

Oil change costs $45 for oil filter (Parts Geek factory VM Motori/Mopar) and $42.50 for the oil.
Fuel filter is a common filter that has been used for years you can buy for $15 through Fleetguard or Baldwin both absolute rated high quality filters or a factory Mopar from Parts Geek for $39. I sample oil and change it every 10k miles. Did the first one at 500 miles (to get rid of any factory contaminates) and then 10 and 20K since. Oil samples have been perfect. Oil was hardly soot blackened.

Without sitting here going through the costs for a 3.6, 2.0, 392, or a Etorque I seriously doubt the “maintenanc costs“ are hardly a factor for a vehicle that nearly everyone buys grossly over priced highly personalized mods for…….

You don’t even have to lift the Wrangler up to change the oil and with the exception of the stupid little clamp close to the oil filter which likes to cut into your hand, it a piece of cake to do even in your own driveway.

We get anywhere from 24-31 MPG depending on road conditions. Pulling a 14 foot single axle enclosed tall (7 feet) trailer weighing 3k we get 18-22 MPG depending on road conditions.

I know the early generation Rams ecodiesel had some issues but those have been resolved.

Gale Banks was selling VM Motori engine packages for several years until FCA started using them from the factory and Banks could no longer import them.
Regardless of what you think about Banks he wouldn’t use an engine platform that was compromised.

In 25,000 miles we have put $35 worth of DEF.

Go drive a diesel and do not take advice from anyone who doesn’t actually own one.

The diesel threads on here are very entertaining but not very informative.

Anyone who says the diesels are “complicated“ yet push the Etorque………

Watch Casey250 on YouTube. He mentions all about the diesel rubicon. He said he would buy it again.

 

[JeepVT]

Would you recommend the ecodiesel to someone who has never owned a diesel before?

I've never owned a diesel before. I love it and have had zero issues on or off-road. Only 6mos and 8k into it. I can't really attest to the long term maintenance costs, but you get 3 free oil changes then I plan to do myself. I'll let them do the fuel filter ever 15-20k.

Compared to my 3.6 JK the 3.0 JL is way better for daily driving and on the highway. I avg'd 15mpg with my 2.5" lifted JK on 35 All terrains. I get 23mpg with my diesel JL with 37" mud terrains. It passes on the highway at 70+ with ease, pulls up hills like its nothing. I would get another without even thinking twice

 

[JeepVT]

Watch Casey250 on YouTube. He mentions all about the diesel rubicon. He said he would buy it again.

And he's had some issue with it...just like people have issues with gassers. Sounds like he will be deleting the emissions so will be interesting to see how that works

 

[MandrewSD]

Watch Casey250 on YouTube. He mentions all about the diesel rubicon. He said he would buy it again.

Add in Brad at TrailRecon saying the same and Nate at Dirt Lifestyle who just picked up a JT EcoDiesel.

Except for the 392 (which is awesome but not for me due to MPG/Range) I drove all the engines. I'm at sea level but do plan on exploring at altitude. I drove the 3.6L, then the 2.0L and the 3.0L last. The 3.6L and 2.0L were a toss up to me...however I knew within 30 seconds in the EcoDiesel that it was the right choice for me. The low end torque and MPG/Range are worth any potential drawbacks you may convince yourself exist. Also IMO the diesel sounds the best.

My suggestion...be patient, find them and go drive them....you'll know. Then order and be happy with your decision.

 

[bruin1md]

25,000 miles on a 2021 Rubi 3.0 Ecodiesel. Bought it in April. I live in Missouri. Went to Moab last month. Totally stock except for 35’s.

3.0 Ecodiesel and 8 speed auto is the perfect engine/trans combo for a Wrangler on the road or off.

I drove all the current offerings except the 392, back to back at the dealership.

Oil change costs $45 for oil filter (Parts Geek factory VM Motori/Mopar) and $42.50 for the oil.
Fuel filter is a common filter that has been used for years you can buy for $15 through Fleetguard or Baldwin both absolute rated high quality filters or a factory Mopar from Parts Geek for $39. I sample oil and change it every 10k miles. Did the first one at 500 miles (to get rid of any factory contaminates) and then 10 and 20K since. Oil samples have been perfect. Oil was hardly soot blackened.

Without sitting here going through the costs for a 3.6, 2.0, 392, or a Etorque I seriously doubt the “maintenanc costs“ are hardly a factor for a vehicle that nearly everyone buys grossly over priced highly personalized mods for…….

You don’t even have to lift the Wrangler up to change the oil and with the exception of the stupid little clamp close to the oil filter which likes to cut into your hand, it a piece of cake to do even in your own driveway.

We get anywhere from 24-31 MPG depending on road conditions. Pulling a 14 foot single axle enclosed tall (7 feet) trailer weighing 3k we get 18-22 MPG depending on road conditions.

I know the early generation Rams ecodiesel had some issues but those have been resolved.

Gale Banks was selling VM Motori engine packages for several years until FCA started using them from the factory and Banks could no longer import them.
Regardless of what you think about Banks he wouldn’t use an engine platform that was compromised.

In 25,000 miles we have put $35 worth of DEF.

Go drive a diesel and do not take advice from anyone who doesn’t actually own one.

The diesel threads on here are very entertaining but not very informative.

Anyone who says the diesels are “complicated“ yet push the Etorque………

How do you compare the 2.0 turbo with the 3.0 eco diesel both on road and off? I've driven the latter on both the sahara and the rubi (I preferred the ride of the sahara with that engine), but haven't driven the 2.0.

 

[bruin1md]

3.6l auto if you live near sea level or the 2.0l if you live at elevation. I want a diesel but not sure I could live with the regen/new diesel etc stuff. I wish they would turbo the 3.6l.. a little 3.6 @ about 3lbs of boost would be fantastic at elevation.

Really trying to decide myself right now..........I started a separate thread on this.
I haven't driven the 2.0 but like you, I live at elevated at approx 7k feet.
If I'm going practical, I think the Sahara Altitude with the 2.0 or 3.0 Eco diesel, plus after market 1" leveling kit, Falken AT3's, and a steel bumper are all I need.
If I want to go with fun and YOLO, then the 392 will be a riot. But I don't know how long it will be before I start getting annoyed at getting 11-15 mpg instead of 13-17 mpg as it says you should.

 

[Teamjlred]

Let's say that I think the 2.0 Turbo is awesome but sounds like a wheezy electric car. What are some good cheap mod options (that don't break warranty) to give it more of a growl? Cold air intake?

My .02 -- Injen axle back installed. Vids sound best with Ear buds. Bit aggressive on cold start (neighbors know for sure when im gettin ready to leave) but smooth tone after warmup w/ the Turbo spoiling. Might not be for everyones taste but fit mine perfect. My build shop down here has gone to 80% Turbos for their stock purchases to outfit. I'm runnin 35's, Lifted w/stabilizer and the 2.0t is impressive.
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...ou-do-to-your-jeep-jl-today.3033/post-1381344

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