Most capable Rubicon?

[entropy]

They'll still only offer it with limited configurations, and the storage capacity of a prius

Wrong. A prius has more storage capacity.

24.6 to 27.4 ft³, 50.7 ft³ with seat area

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[Wabujitsu]

I’m a 4-door guy, but I have to throw out a caveat.

At the beginning of my Army career, I drove an M151A2 Jeep, with a whopping 71HP and three on the floor, down trails through military training areas. They were wobbly and a lot of work to drive, but unstoppable. Rolling down the highway in convoy you risked your life at around 45MPH.

Then we got the wide and long HMMWVs. We soon learned that we couldn’t squeeze them through many of the established training area Jeep trails, and had to make new trails.

I love our 4-doors, but I also would like to have a vintage 2-door. Vehicle choice for wheeling would be dependent on the trails and obstacles. I am comfortable off road with either one. Each one has its advantages and challenges. That’s the fun of off roading - using your driving skills to surmount the challenges of EITHER vehicle!

 

[Zandcwhite]

Wrong. A prius has more storage capacity.

24.6 to 27.4 ft³, 50.7 ft³ with seat area

I assumed your hypothetical longer wheelbase 2 door would gain a little storage capacity.

 

[Outrun]

Muh tight trees and turns!

 

[AcesandEights]

The 2-door isn’t cheaper enough.

When 4-door Wrangler was introduced 15 years ago, the price gap between 2 and 4-door was $3,000. On a well-equipped $30,000 Jeep, that represented a significant 10% price difference.

Today, the price gap remains about the same, but on a $60,000 Jeep it is now only a 5% price gap. This has the unintended consequence of ushering many buyers into the 4-door.

I don’t know if FCA is purposely herding buyers into 4-doors, or if it is completely oblivious of the impact its price structure is having on sales of 2-doors.

Why compare $60,000 Wranglers though? You don't have to buy a $60,000 Wrangler and then the percentage remains closer to 10%. What if you compare $100,000 Wranglers, then it's a 3% difference, right (but ridiculous).

 

[entropy]

I assumed your hypothetical longer wheelbase 2 door would gain a little storage capacity.

Oh yeah. Maybe. Don't really care much about that, I already solved that issue on my 2 door. Just thinking the longer wheelbase would allow Jeep to get bigger tires from the factory.

Still difficult to match that prius capacity lol.

 

[Fargo]

Next gen wrangler. The 2 door is gonna have a slightly longer wheelbase. and all the 4 door on owners are gonna be like fack.

I often wonder about that. It would make sense for a 2 door Wrangler with a wheelbase of 105-110. But there is a huge risk for Jeep to do that. The short wheelbase Wrangler is still the iconic Jeep. They still need the short Jeep around for the iconic image. Some people may not remember, but there was an out cry among Jeepers when the CJ7 was introduced because they had to make it longer to account for that inline 6. On the other hand, there was not much concern about making the JL longer to account for the 8spd tranny. So maybe times have changed.

I think Jeep should add a 3rd Wrangler that fits between the current 4 door and SWB 2 door. I think Wranglers with wheelbase options of 96.8 (JL) 108 (proposed) and 118.4(JLU) would be sweet. But a 3rd Wrangler would mostly steel sales away from their other Wranglers (Maybe a couple 2door Branco sales). It doesn't draw in new buyers. So as much as I'd like a 108" 2 door Wrangler, I doubt it will happen.

 

[AnnDee4444]

They'll still only offer it with limited configurations, and the storage capacity of a prius

This forum is too much sometimes... 'Prius' or 'Honda' aren't a catch-all term for something you don't like.

4-doors are for commies! /s

 

[Ridgway Jeeper]

You have to push ridiculously hard to make much actual difference in capability between a short or long Rubicon. Most people will never even get close. I used to have a 2 dr and a 4dr Gwagen at the same time. The 2dr lifted 4" on 35's and the 4 dr lifted on 33's. Both obscenely capable and while the 2 dr was more fun, I was willing to try tougher obstacles in the 4dr due to the stability. I like the 2dr Rubicon because it is more fun and doesn't need to be practical but if a stock JL was the only choice for an extreme off roader I would want a 392 XR, just because...

 

[Zandcwhite]

This forum is too much sometimes... 'Prius' or 'Honda' aren't a catch-all term for something you don't like.

4-doors are for commies! /s

You do realize I chose the prius as the cargo capacity is very similar to that of the 2 door (albeit greater than) right? Sorry if I struck a nerve. My work/ commuter car is a Ford cmaxx. Virtually the same thing. It's a company car, so I couldn't car less about style. HOV lane access, reasonably quick, and free gas I'll drive the wheels off of it. I wasn't judging the prius, just making a fair comparison to the payload capacity of your tiny Jeep.

 

[AnnDee4444]

You do realize I chose the prius as the cargo capacity is very similar to that of the 2 door (albeit greater than) right? Sorry if I struck a nerve.

No nerves were struck... I just find it amusing how often Hondas or Priuses are discussed on this forum, and they're almost always the scapegoat. I don't know about Prius forums but I do know that the Honda forums don't spend any time at all bitching about a car they don't even own. This forum? 500 posts likely all bashing Priuses since July of 2020, while the term 'breakover' has only been mentioned 500 times since January of 2018... This Jeep forum is literally posting about Priuses 3x more often than breakover.

Sorry I misinterpreted your comment if it was genuine.

 

[JeepViking13]

You do realize I chose the prius as the cargo capacity is very similar to that of the 2 door (albeit greater than) right? Sorry if I struck a nerve. My work/ commuter car is a Ford cmaxx. Virtually the same thing. It's a company car, so I couldn't car less about style. HOV lane access, reasonably quick, and free gas I'll drive the wheels off of it. I wasn't judging the prius, just making a fair comparison to the payload capacity of your tiny Jeep.

Please stop with the d$ck measuring contest in this thread. This is a about off roading capability not cargo capacity. We get it you love your 4 door.?

 

[Ridgway Jeeper]

No nerves were struck... I just find it amusing how often Hondas or Priuses are discussed on this forum, and they're almost always the scapegoat. I don't know about Prius forums but I do know that the Honda forums don't spend any time at all bitching about a car they don't even own. This forum? 500 posts likely all bashing Priuses since July of 2020, while the term 'breakover' has only been mentioned 500 times since January of 2018... This Jeep forum is literally posting about Priuses 3x more often than breakover.

Sorry I misinterpreted your comment if it was genuine.

I like to think I personally bash ALL Toyotas equally whether it be the Prius, Tacoma, Highlander... I think they are all communist. Same goes for ANY Subaru...communist. I don't mind Honda's except for the Accord "Touring" those are probably the most hideous vehicles ever produced though not as likely to be owned and operated by communists like the others listed...

The solution to the 2 doors cargo capacity is obvious, remove the rear seat and wala! Plenty of accessible cargo space. Excellent breakover and not communist.

 

[omnitonic]

When 37's-40's are making the ruts and digging the holes, they quickly get to the point that they swallow up 31's. Not to mention, they brought wagons with metal wheel through the rocks. We've come a long way in both comfort and the amount of physical work it takes, but let's not forget most trails are wagon trails.

All fair points. I hadn't really thought about the tire size arms race forcing people to keep up, due to digging out deeper and deeper ruts. That kind of thing isn't really an issue in the main place I go wheeling, because there isn't a lot of dirt on the rocks up there. Once you dig through, it doesn't matter if you're on 28s or 72s, the ruts are the ruts.

I'm glad we don't have to drag wagons with thin metal-clad wooden wheels through these trails anymore.

 

[entropy]

No nerves were struck... I just find it amusing how often Hondas or Priuses are discussed on this forum, and they're almost always the scapegoat. I don't know about Prius forums but I do know that the Honda forums don't spend any time at all bitching about a car they don't even own. This forum? 500 posts likely all bashing Priuses since July of 2020, while the term 'breakover' has only been mentioned 500 times since January of 2018... This Jeep forum is literally posting about Priuses 3x more often than breakover.

Sorry I misinterpreted your comment if it was genuine.

Making fun of Prius is carcist. How dare you.

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