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Just got off the phone with Knight CDJR, and I’m inclined to advise anyone in the area to avoid them like the plague. At least for this issue. I’ve had to chase them down via phone about half a dozen times. “IDK, someone will call you back” was the answer every time until today.

Today I was told that the hinges are approved. We’ll get them ordered and painted then call you to install them. What about the doors and the hood where the corrosion is 100 times worse than the hinge?
We’re still waiting on approval for the hood. That’s done separately than the hinges.

At this point my BS meter was pegged. I didn’t even ask why no mention of the doors. Next plan is to head down and have a chat with the service manager or GM. Or maybe just get JEEPCARES involved. I really don’t have time to try and track down people that will probably be difficult to get a hold of in person.
 

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From what I hear, if it’s present on a door that door now gets replaced. The corrosion warranty is five years, but can that get extended? I don’t think the mopar max care plan includes it.
This is what I've been told from the body shop and dealer:
- If paint bubbling on the hinges and/or doors is observed, they take pictures and send to Jeep for warranty approval.
- Jeep approves replacing hinges and repairing of the doors.
- If pitting corrosion of the doors is found when the repairs are started, then they need to submit more photos and get a second round of approval for replacement doors. Unfortunately this is done after sanding down to bare metal.
- Because of the amount of affected Jeeps, there is apparently a backorder on some doors (driver's front is the worst apparently).

In my case, my JL has been in the shop since 2/13. They finally got a replacement driver's door earlier this week, so with any luck I should have it back in a couple weeks. In total 3 doors are being replaced, along with all the hinges. All doors are being repainted along with blending into the surrounding panels. It's ridiculous that Jeep doesn't just approve door replacement upfront when the body shop knows they're going to need to be replaced.
 

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I think I know the answer, but are these zinc shims available for purchase? I don't have paint bubbles (yet), but it would be nice to install these and prevent the corrosion before it begins.
The hinges aren't expensive. I looked up the part numbers in the TSB in case they don't cover mine (although mine is only 1.5 years old and 40,000KM in Canada) I'd buy the set and take the shims out, then you have spare hinges later in case... whatever happens lol
You realise you're going to open yourself up for more corrosion if you pop the hinges off as they're painted while on right? You can't put the zinc on after the fact with anything up to whenever they switched to the anode.

Thanks. I don't think we have Jeep Cares in Canada really. The dealer is submitting the request now, they figured a week to hear back. So I figure this time next week if I don't hear back, I'll start the corporate e-mail bomb schedule... :P
We have no Jeep Cares in Canada. We have "Jeep doesn't give a shit"
 

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You realise you're going to open yourself up for more corrosion if you pop the hinges off as they're painted while on right? You can't put the zinc on after the fact with anything up to whenever they switched to the anode.
I'm certainly not a scientist, but if the unpainted sides of the hinges and doors are properly prepped and cleaned, I don't see why adding the zinc shim wouldn't work. There is probably corrosion already starting on those surfaces anyway, and it would serve the dual purpose of removing that as well.

All that said, I suspect you have good reason for your recommendation and would be interested to know why this wouldn't work. Please let us know, and thanks for your insight and expertise.
 

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I'm certainly not a scientist, but if the unpainted sides of the hinges and doors are properly prepped and cleaned, I don't see why adding the zinc shim wouldn't work. There is probably corrosion already starting on those surfaces anyway, and it would serve the dual purpose of removing that as well.

All that said, I suspect you have good reason for your recommendation and would be interested to know why this wouldn't work. Please let us know, and thanks for your insight and expertise.
The reason I think it will cause issues is because up until they added the shims, the hinges were mounted and painted over while mounted. You would have to remove the hinge to put the shim and you will introduce another water ingress when you break the paint. I personally think the bubbling has more to do with shitty paint prep, shitty paint application and lastly, there may be some galvanic corrosion going on as well although the only spot there are differing metals is the screws holding the hinges on. The shims also won't address the bubbling that is happening at the bottoms of door and elsewhere there isn't dissimilar metals.

i removed my hinges on all doors and other half on frame and had them colour matched Linex'd because even on stock Rubicons, they get trashed from stones and I didn't want to concenr myself with this bubbling crap down the road anyway. I definitely broke the paint lol. That's the limit of my expertise here. I think I'm the only one rocking Linex'd hinges.
 

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The reason I think it will cause issues is because up until they added the shims, the hinges were mounted and painted over while mounted. You would have to remove the hinge to put the shim and you will introduce another water ingress when you break the paint. I personally think the bubbling has more to do with shitty paint prep, shitty paint application and lastly, there may be some galvanic corrosion going on as well although the only spot there are differing metals is the screws holding the hinges on. The shims also won't address the bubbling that is happening at the bottoms of door and elsewhere there isn't dissimilar metals.

i removed my hinges on all doors and other half on frame and had them colour matched Linex'd because even on stock Rubicons, they get trashed from stones and I didn't want to concenr myself with this bubbling crap down the road anyway. I definitely broke the paint lol. That's the limit of my expertise here. I think I'm the only one rocking Linex'd hinges.
OK...I understand, but there's no paint to break on my JL because the paint doesn't "seal" the area where the hinge and door meet up. In fact, the door paint doesn't even go right up to the hinges at all. There's a little less than a 1mm unpainted gap just around the perimeter of each one, which is terrible workmanship. Granted, you have to look really close to see it, but that's still unsatisfactory and I am certain that many if not all JLs have this same problem.

As such, it's already too late to prevent water intrusion between the hinges and doors. My Jeep has been in the rain and washed several times over since I've owned it, so it has already happened. Removing the hinges won't break paint or invite any more water intrusion than it already has. Luckily, I live in the driest state in the US, rarely wash my Jeep, and take great care in drying it when I do. However, I fully realize that galvanic corrosion can (and probably will) still occur, which is why I'm interested in preventing it with the shims.
 

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Super positive to see so many other 2018 and 2019 JLs getting corrosion repairs done under the 5 year warranty. A few have speculated incorrectly that this was not possible as you needed holes perforating the metal. As well the corrosion warranty only applied for 3 years and not 5 years.

Was just at a dealer with an in-house body shop. Our 5 year corrosion warranty expires in just over a month. They took photos and will be submitting to FCA for approval of 2 doors and hood to be replaced. Manager told me it should get approved next week - but panels may be on backorder. This will be my third and final kick at the 5 year corrosion can.

Not sure how this repair will pan out - or how long before it comes back. But is better than leaving it as is. Being this is the third time in for corrosion and seeing that about $20K has already been paid out. It makes sense FCA is finally adding a shim to potentially help delay the onset of corrosion appearing until after the 5 year warranty period expires. You would expect their corrosion warranty claim costs to be reduced anyways. More than likely that is their goal. Not to fix the inherent manufacturing problem - just delay and cut their repair costs.

Body shop manager told me this other JL is about the worst he has seen so far. If your dealer refuses to submit to FCA for corrosion repairs under your 5 year warranty - keep on searching until you find one who is willing.

PS. This forum has been super awesome in getting a whack of TSBs done all under warranty over the past 5 years - so thanks all who have contributed to inform the masses

BTW - dealer offered $6K cash firm guaranteed more than what was paid 5 years ago - but decided to keep it. Apparently at auction these older JLs are selling like hotcakes.

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Washed the jeep over the weekend and noticed small bubbles in the paint at one of the rear door hinges. I am over a year and have roughly 27k miles.They are hard underneath and the paint is not loose and pretty sure they were not there last time i washed the vehicle. It cant be rust under the paint since the doors are aluminum. All other hinges are fine. Has anyone seen this issue?

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Just got off the phone with Knight CDJR, and I’m inclined to advise anyone in the area to avoid them like the plague. At least for this issue. I’ve had to chase them down via phone about half a dozen times. “IDK, someone will call you back” was the answer every time until today.

Today I was told that the hinges are approved. We’ll get them ordered and painted then call you to install them. What about the doors and the hood where the corrosion is 100 times worse than the hinge?
We’re still waiting on approval for the hood. That’s done separately than the hinges.

At this point my BS meter was pegged. I didn’t even ask why no mention of the doors. Next plan is to head down and have a chat with the service manager or GM. Or maybe just get JEEPCARES involved. I really don’t have time to try and track down people that will probably be difficult to get a hold of in person.
F that.
Take a nice drive down to Jeep of HB. They know the fire drill well and own their own body shop.
 

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I’ve had my ‘18 JLU in twice and I found 3 more spots around the windshield, hood, and driver front fender. I’ll be taking it back, but what happens if you leave it? Will it start flaking or just keep bubbling?
 

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I’ve had my ‘18 JLU in twice and I found 3 more spots around the windshield, hood, and driver front fender. I’ll be taking it back, but what happens if you leave it? Will it start flaking or just keep bubbling?
It will eventually flake off and expose the bare aluminum.

Mine is going in on May 8th and is supposed to get the new hinges. I'm not holding my breath. Guessing that when the next round of corrosion appears, the warranty will have expired and I'll probably just sell it at that point.
 

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Super positive to see so many other 2018 and 2019 JLs getting corrosion repairs done under the 5 year warranty. A few have speculated incorrectly that this was not possible as you needed holes perforating the metal. As well the corrosion warranty only applied for 3 years and not 5 years.

Was just at a dealer with an in-house body shop. Our 5 year corrosion warranty expires in just over a month. They took photos and will be submitting to FCA for approval of 2 doors and hood to be replaced. Manager told me it should get approved next week - but panels may be on backorder. This will be my third and final kick at the 5 year corrosion can.

Not sure how this repair will pan out - or how long before it comes back. But is better than leaving it as is. Being this is the third time in for corrosion and seeing that about $20K has already been paid out. It makes sense FCA is finally adding a shim to potentially help delay the onset of corrosion appearing until after the 5 year warranty period expires. You would expect their corrosion warranty claim costs to be reduced anyways. More than likely that is their goal. Not to fix the inherent manufacturing problem - just delay and cut their repair costs.

Body shop manager told me this other JL is about the worst he has seen so far. If your dealer refuses to submit to FCA for corrosion repairs under your 5 year warranty - keep on searching until you find one who is willing.

PS. This forum has been super awesome in getting a whack of TSBs done all under warranty over the past 5 years - so thanks all who have contributed to inform the masses

BTW - dealer offered $6K cash firm guaranteed more than what was paid 5 years ago - but decided to keep it. Apparently at auction these older JLs are selling like hotcakes.

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My 2022 JT has the added gasket between the hinge and the door and my driver door hinge started bubbling at just 9 months. Now my hood is bubbling along the edges under my Rubicon stickers along 2-3 spots on each side. Mine is Sting Gray if it matters - not sure if some are more prone to bubbles or not. I can say their paint prep is garbage for sure. My 09 JK wasn't nearly this bad this early on.
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