Bubbles in Paint at Door Hinges

[Z&KOJL]

Late reply but they tooK the Jeep in a few weeks ago on A Tuesday and I had it back Friday. They sounded like this is nothing new and sent to a local body shop for repair. We will see how long it holds. I was denied a loaner but with an extra car and motorcycle during the summer I didn’t put up much fight there.

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[Zas]

Good night gentlemen! I continue to report on the history of corrosion of doors from Moscow. I gave the car to the dealer (Rolf company). It was processed yesterday and provided me with the result. This is visible in the photo. A request was sent to the Chrysler representative. The answer is unequivocal: the replacement of all four doors, they are in the central warehouse in Moscow. But I'm not happy: I was not given a replacement Jeep, I have to go to Duster ) They will give the car next week. I’ll post the photo. I think that since the new doors and hinges will have internal dyeing, everything will be fine. In any case, the warranty on through corrosion is 5 years.

 

[nerubi]

That sucks. I hope since you're paying out of pocket, that they will at least provide you with a warranty on the repair in case you have issues later. Hopefully, Jeep will add doors and hinges to the TSB soon, so they will have to refund your money for the repair.

Honestly, It's kind of lame that Jeep isn't standing behind their product. No vehicle should have corrosion issues within such a short time. I can see this turning into a Class Action lawsuit.


*EDIT- Not sure if this helps, but the attached TSB says the Doors are included:

This TSB was in an earlier post. It still comes down to if FCA approves it once dealer submits evidence.
Do you read previous posts? Other manufacturers are having the same issue. There is a class action lawsuit against Ford for it and I'm guessing some disgruntled FCA owner will hire one of the late night tv 'I get rich' attorneys and sue.I
Do you remember steel and rust? Manufacturers only stood behind their vehicles if it rusted through. But people still bought them. Why is aluminum any different?

 

[nerubi]

I completely agree with you. the gladiator’s situation is even worse. Chrysler needed to consult a land rover, not nasa

Go read Land Rover forums, aluminum corrosion complaints since 2003.

 

[Redneck_Jedi]

This TSB was in an earlier post. It still comes down to if FCA approves it once dealer submits evidence.
Do you read previous posts? Other manufacturers are having the same issue. There is a class action lawsuit against Ford for it and I'm guessing some disgruntled FCA owner will hire one of the late night tv 'I get rich' attorneys and sue.I
Do you remember steel and rust? Manufacturers only stood behind their vehicles if it rusted through. But people still bought them. Why is aluminum any different?

I do remember steel and rust. It cerainly plagued many early cars built, even those built into the 80s. However, Moden steel vehicles rarely have issues with rust anymore because of all the attention given to developing metal coatings and sealants designed to prevent the problem. Aluminum vehicles can also be made that don't have widespread corrosion issues. If they couldn't, then aluminum wouldn't be used. The Majority of Landrover and Ford owners never experience a problem, and I'm sure there are many Wrangler owners that will also never experience this issue. However, the fact is some of us are. That doesn't mean we should just accept it. I mean, I paid just as much for my new Jeep as those who have no issues. Why shouldn't I expect the same level of quality.

Nerubi, How many times have you had the corrosion repaired on your Jeep?

 

[nerubi]

I do remember steel and rust. It cerainly plagued many early cars built, even those built into the 80s. However, Moden steel vehicles rarely have issues with rust anymore because of all the attention given to developing metal coatings and sealants designed to prevent the problem. Aluminum vehicles can also be made that don't have widespread corrosion issues. If they couldn't, then aluminum wouldn't be used. Many Landrover and Ford owners never experience a problem, and I'm sure there are many Wrangler owners that will also never experience this problem. However, the fact is some of us are. That doesn't mean we should just accept it. I mean, I paid just as much for my new Jeep as those who have no issues. Why shouldn't I expect the same quality.

Nerubi, How many times have you had the corrosion repaired on your Jeep?

None because 99% don't have an issue with it. But if I did I would understand that some small amount of anything made, man or machine, will develop some type of problem. Not a matter of quality, matter of odds.

 

[Redneck_Jedi]

Good night gentlemen! I continue to report on the history of corrosion of doors from Moscow. I gave the car to the dealer (Rolf company). It was processed yesterday and provided me with the result. This is visible in the photo. A request was sent to the Chrysler representative. The answer is unequivocal: the replacement of all four doors, they are in the central warehouse in Moscow. But I'm not happy: I was not given a replacement Jeep, I have to go to Duster ) They will give the car next week. I’ll post the photo. I think that since the new doors and hinges will have internal dyeing, everything will be fine. In any case, the warranty on through corrosion is 5 years.

Thanks for the update Zas. I'm glad they are replacing your doors. Hopefully, it will prevent the corrosion from returning. Please keep us posted.

 

[Redneck_Jedi]

None because 99% don't have an issue with it. But if I did I would understand that some small amount of anything made, man or machine, will develop some type of problem. Not a matter of quality, matter of odds.

True. I think most of us do accept that nothing is perfect, and some Jeeps are bound to have issues. We just want our issues fixed, and done right the first time. I'm going in for my second corrosion repair within 7k miles (almost as often as oil changes). Honestly, it's just that None of us want to be dealing with this after our warranty expires and have to pay out of pocket for a repair.

 

[nerubi]

True. I think most of us do accept that nothing is perfect, and some Jeeps are bound to have issues. We just want our corrosion issues corrected, and done right the first time. Honestly, it's just that None of us want to be dealing with this after our warranty expires and have to pay out of pocket for a repair.

Warranties were invented to incentivize people to buy a new vehicle every 3 to 5 years. Jeep realized when they had the unlimited extended warranty that they were losing money and new sales so they stopped that. VW increased their warranty to 6 years after their diesel debacle but now that everyone forgot about it they dropped it to 4 years.

 

[Redneck_Jedi]

Warranties were invented to incentivize people to buy a new vehicle every 3 to 5 years. Jeep realized when they had the unlimited extended warranty that they were losing money and new sales so they stopped that. VW increased their warranty to 6 years after their diesel debacle but now that everyone forgot about it they dropped it to 4 years.

I can't help but think, that if you were dealing with the same corrosion issues that we are, your opinion on the subject would be different.

 

[Jay 13]

This TSB was in an earlier post. It still comes down to if FCA approves it once dealer submits evidence.
Do you read previous posts? Other manufacturers are having the same issue. There is a class action lawsuit against Ford for it and I'm guessing some disgruntled FCA owner will hire one of the late night tv 'I get rich' attorneys and sue.I
Do you remember steel and rust? Manufacturers only stood behind their vehicles if it rusted through. But people still bought them. Why is aluminum any different?

I get sh*t happens....but I am curious, has this happened to your Jeep?

Yes steel rusted and cars used to rust within its first few months to a year (back in the day) Also vehicles once had no clear coat (cars used to also be much cheaper back in the day) so should one except there vehicle if clear coat within a year or 2 begins to show signs of defect and fail? Is that acceptable because once upon a time cars didn’t have clear coat?

Tvs were once black and white....if one purchases a brand new television and within a year the picture turns to black and white...should one just accept that because once upon a time TVs used to be black and white?

I totally respect and appreciate your info On how cars used to have rusting issues on steel and that many manufacturers are moving to aluminum. But I’ve had an Infiniti(11yrs) Audi (7rs) rang rover (currently wife’s car almost 3 yrs old ) all having aluminum...and all having ZERO corrosion. And have many friends and family owning same vehicles and others made of aluminum and none have had this issue...but I have friends with jeeps and all have this issue. If I did with my Infiniti or Audi down the line...than hey yea the car ages it’s happens.

With all due respect...yes sh*t happens. But to be a known problem in a specific area and happening within the first 6months to a year for some....is not acceptable

and I asked if you’ve had this happen to you as if not maybe that is why your very oh well sh*t happens. Yes yes it does. But to buy a new vehicle at these price points and in such a short period of time have to deal with random body shops repainting brand new jeeps, when some have already went that route and had ther jeeps given back to them worse off or problem recurring within a few months. They can’t even send it to a reputable place to be fixed. Than there’s the whole car fax repainting label that some will have to explain to a new buyer.

Some guys having issues with dealers replacing/fixing this issue based on “well you drove it a lot in the past year (now too many miles/km’s now) so tough luck on your paint (cosmetic issue not mechanical) corroding” again not acceptable, non of this is the customers fault it’s the manufacturers

jks hinges rusted...and they some how made that worse...at least before you could just replaceD the hinges...now they’ve maneuvered it away from the hinges and spread to the door instead lol that one makes me laugh in all honesty.

just unacceptable in my opinion. And I’m not sure what the past has to due with ppl should “just accept” this because cars back in the day had real bad issues with rust.

It’s just not right. I’m with you on sh*t happens yes. But when said sh*t happens they should be able to correct it, and they can’t or unfortunately don’t want too in some cases.

Yes I LOVE my Jeep. And I’d love to stay in the Jeep family. And I plan too. Would just like to see them correct these issues that am shouldn’t be based on oh well sh*t when it’s happening way to early and can be corrected.

there’s an old thread “ALUMINUM” that is on this forum and members were predicting this issue in late 2017. You’d think the professionals have the same insight.

 

[nerubi]

Hasn't happened to mine but if it does I won't get bent out of shape. If it is covered by warranty fine, if not fine.

Your point of your other aluminum cars not having a problem is my point. MOST WILL NOT. But blaming Jeep for a quality problem with aluminum is not logical, it is hysterics. If they were the only one having the problem then fine but they aren't. If you don't want to have the small chance of it happening to you then don't buy a vehicle with aluminum. It can happen from day one or not happen after day 5,000.

Aluminum is very reactive with steel dust. One particle can start the corrosion. That's why they built an aluminum only paint booth at the factory to try to REDUCE the chances. But unless you want them to make an extremely expensive clean room of the body and paint area then some issues will occur, on any aluminum car.

I'm saying don't blame Jeep, blame basic chemistry.

And if you drive your car 40,000 miles the first year and the electronics burn out you are out of luck on the warranty. Almost all warranties have time and mileage limits.

I know it is useless to try and convince illogical people about facts. They just think they have been wronged and don't care what they agreed to (warranty) when buying something and want someone else to pay for it.

 

[Jay 13]

Hasn't happened to mine but if it does I won't get bent out of shape. If it is covered by warranty fine, if not fine.

Your point of your other aluminum cars not having a problem is my point. MOST WILL NOT. But blaming Jeep for a quality problem with aluminum is not logical, it is hysterics. If they were the only one having the problem then fine but they aren't. If you don't want to have the small chance of it happening to you then don't buy a vehicle with aluminum. It can happen from day one or not happen after day 5,000.

Aluminum is very reactive with steel dust. One particle can start the corrosion. That's why they built an aluminum only paint booth at the factory to try to REDUCE the chances. But unless you want them to make an extremely expensive clean room of the body and paint area then some issues will occur, on any aluminum car.

I'm saying don't blame Jeep, blame basic chemistry.

And if you drive your car 40,000 miles the first year and the electronics burn out you are out of luck on the warranty. Almost all warranties have time and mileage limits.

I know it is useless to try and convince illogical people about facts. They just think they have been wronged and don't care what they agreed to (warranty) when buying something and want someone else to pay for it.

Convince illogical people about facts?
Or make up facts right?
You claim 99% don’t have this issue...there wouldn’t be a TSB out about this if only 1% of owners had this problem.
As @Redneck_Jedi said. You’d be singing a different tune if you had this issue. Maybe you’re the lucky one. Great!
But why you’re in a thread about this issue calling out the ppl who have it (you know us 1%) now claiming I’m illogical....pretty sure it’s not illogical in this day and age to not expect corrosion on a vehicle in the first year. But hey that’s just my illogical brain at work here. Rather be illogical than accept the unacceptable. We’re not here discussing a 5,6,7+ year old vehicle having this on A couple of instances

“But unless you want them to make an extremely expensive clean room of the body and paint area then some issues will occur, on any aluminum car.”

You mean like other manufacturers have, that now build aluminum vehicles??

do you work for Jeep or something? I’m not here attacking Jeep, simply saying it’s not right that this is happening...and for someone as yourself who doesn’t have this issue.....Easy to say for you and Not really fair to state how ppl should feel or react based to their issues.

If this happens to your Jeep in year one or 2 of ownership and they said “Not our problem” “not covered under warranty” and you know it’s a known issue and do not care....that’s your prerogative.

but if everyone in here is so illogical who’s encountered this issue are you just here to poke fun at all us illogical ppl? what’s the point? We’re all a Jeep family here and any help and insight is always welcomed it’s what’s makes this community/forum great. But your just here telling ppl to stop whining about an issue they have after spending there hard earned money on a new vehicle/Jeep were speaking of here...not something that corroded or rusted down after years[/QUOTE]

 

[nerubi]

Just a final comment - St. Paul's 2nd letter to Corinthians.

 

[Lou_JLU]

Good night gentlemen! I continue to report on the history of corrosion of doors from Moscow. I gave the car to the dealer (Rolf company). It was processed yesterday and provided me with the result. This is visible in the photo. A request was sent to the Chrysler representative. The answer is unequivocal: the replacement of all four doors, they are in the central warehouse in Moscow. But I'm not happy: I was not given a replacement Jeep, I have to go to Duster ) They will give the car next week. I’ll post the photo. I think that since the new doors and hinges will have internal dyeing, everything will be fine. In any case, the warranty on through corrosion is 5 years.

Excellent detail on what is going on behind the hinges to initiate the corrosion and how to fix. Thx

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