It was in response to the "4r gets up and goes", it's in fact slower than ever model of JL. Not arguing, just pointing out to those that have never driven a 4r that they shouldn't expect v8 performance as they are in fact still slow with the v8.
They want a 0 option rubicon at the base sport price, as if upgrading axles, transfer case, sway bar, shocks, fender flares, rocker protection, wheels/tires, and adding lockers should cost nothing. It’s a pipe dream. Sure they would sell like crazy, because FCA would be eating a huge loss in the process. My local dealer has a 2 door rubicon on the lot right now with the tech package, 7” screen v6 with etorque, 8 speed auto, power windows, and AC for $42k msrp. Show me a bronco for sale for that same price with at least a 33” at, sway bar disco, auto, and power windows. The idea that the rubicon is fca price gouging is absurd. Just because you can buy a rav4 with power everything, leather, big infotainment screen and adaptive cruise control for less doesn’t make the soft roader a better value. I’d rather pay to have the beef where it counts than have the creature comforts as standard.
Mine was $43k with hardtop, cold weather and tow packages, not exactly a stripped vehicle either.
There's a Willys Sport and the Willys (with added power doors/LED lights/keyless entry) for a couple grand more.
It depends on which model. The TRD Off-road and TRD Pro models have a manual transfer case with neutral.
True: my bad for not stating, it’s the same with the GC .It depends on which model. The TRD Off-road and TRD Pro models have a manual transfer case with neutral.
My 2 cents. Ordered 2021 Willys JLU in April. Paid $2,200 under MRSP in June. Don't need front/rear lockers. Loved the trim package on the Willys. Put $7-8K in mods for some height and tire size (34") recovery, etc. It's freakin perfect. Love driving it. Good luck.
This.
I can only serve as one anecdotal example, but comparing our current 4Runner to my previous vehicle, it has been exponentially more reliable. But then again the baseline of measurement also includes a couple Fords, so maybe part of it is the bar is set pretty low depending on your vehicle history.
Because they are so boring to drive, they last forever. The xj will get driven, beaten both on and off road, and pushed to the limit all the way to 200k+ miles with ease in 10 years. The boring ass Toyota will get barely driven, and will often rust out before it hits 200k as nobody who owns a Toyota drives it for fun. Big tires and lockers make anything good off road. At least with a Jeep you're not required to stack transmissions and transfer cases to produce enough torque to move.
Well, Ford is the master of brainwashing...
This right here - I know because I bought one and it was a pita to find at a dealer. In hindsight I should have just ordered lol. Snagged mine for 42k - Base 2.0t non-etorque JLUR with prox keyless and all weather floor mats. That's it. No leather, no heated anything. Halogen Lights including fogs. The damn thing is perfect in my eyes, and since Jeeps are in the eye of the beholder it's thus the perfect vehicle. The same day they had a sport with options on the lot for 38 (took delivery August 2020). I feel the additional 4k was well worth axles, lockers, transfer case, suspension, and all the rest. If you build em, you can definitely get em cheap. Before the covid insanity they were on lots, too. Give it time - this too shall pass.
