Which powertrain would you get?

[mwilk012]

Kml

How can anyone? You predict the future regularly? This is a red herring argument to get into because there is no possible way to see into the future. Diesels have higher maintenance costs but "headache"? I get it you don't like the diesel. Move on and your opinion is noted.

I actually love the eco diesel. I’m just realistic about the expected maintenance and repair costs over the life of the vehicle.

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[LFMS]

I would go for the 4xe - it’s 2021, plug-in hybrids are no longer cutting edge technology, and you also get the longer hybrid parts powertrain warranty for the extra peace of mind.

My second choice would be the diesel, you get the fuel economy and the extra torque in comp to the V6. I can’t tell about the 3.0 specifically, but other FCA Diesel engines have proved themselves to be good and reliable in the long term (there’s a reason why so many taxi and Uber drivers in Europe are now using Fiat Tipo station wagons).
I know that some folks love to trash Fiat, but it has come a long way since the 80’s. They currently make some of the most reliable, and well-equipped cars in Europe in their respective segment.

As for the V6, I have the etorque on my 2.0 and love it. I spent a week with a 3.6 etorque and found it rather dull in comparison, was quite surprised by the constant higher rev of the engine, not to mention fuel consumption.
Since you have a V6 I’m sure you’ll know much better than me about its ups and downs. I have to say that at cold starts, it does sound so much better than the 2.0.

I don’t know how long you plan to keep your Jeep, but if you’re happy with it, you can downsize the wheels and regain its original mpg. Moving from a V6 to another V6 is gonna be a little potato/potato, and this way you can change when something more enticing comes out (full ev? Restyling? Etc)…

 

[gerlbaum]

I would go for the 4xe - it’s 2021, plug-in hybrids are no longer cutting edge technology, and you also get the longer hybrid parts powertrain warranty for the extra peace of mind.

My second choice would be the diesel, you get the fuel economy and the extra torque in comp to the V6. I can’t tell about the 3.0 specifically, but other FCA Diesel engines have proved themselves to be good and reliable in the long term (there’s a reason why so many taxi and Uber drivers in Europe are now using Fiat Tipo station wagons).
I know that some folks love to trash Fiat, but it has come a long way since the 80’s. They currently make some of the most reliable, and well-equipped cars in Europe in their respective segment.

As for the V6, I have the etorque on my 2.0 and love it. I spent a week with a 3.6 etorque and found it rather dull in comparison, was quite surprised by the constant higher rev of the engine, not to mention fuel consumption.
Since you have a V6 I’m sure you’ll know much better than me about its ups and downs. I have to say that at cold starts, it does sound so much better than the 2.0.

I don’t know how long you plan to keep your Jeep, but if you’re happy with it, you can downsize the wheels and regain its original mpg. Moving from a V6 to another V6 is gonna be a little potato/potato, and this way you can change when something more enticing comes out (full ev? Restyling? Etc)…

I would have taken the 2.0t as a second choice to my diesel followed by the 4xe. The 3.0 is literally a commercial duty engine. The 3.6 is dead last. It would require a supercharger but then you mind as well deal with the same things in a diesel or 2.0 with a warranty. With all the high torque EVs coming out I don’t see a resale value for an engine that struggles to put down 260 lb ft.

 

[Strommen95]

With all the high torque EVs coming out I don’t see a resale value for an engine that struggles to put down 260 lb ft.

Resale value on a Jeep has nothing to do with torque or power. 3.8 JKs command almost the same as 3.6 JKs. If anything, the push for DI, turbos and electric only makes a relatively simple V6 that much more valuable.

 

[aldo98229]

I would have taken the 2.0t as a second choice to my diesel followed by the 4xe. The 3.0 is literally a commercial duty engine. The 3.6 is dead last. It would require a supercharger but then you mind as well deal with the same things in a diesel or 2.0 with a warranty. With all the high torque EVs coming out I don’t see a resale value for an engine that struggles to put down 260 lb ft.

Yet, two-thirds of Jeep buyers pick the V6...

 

[jeepoch]

All,

I'm not certain why anyone wouldn't like the 3.6L especially mated with the ZF8 speed auto. The calibrators did a remarkable job with engine tuning and torque management. So many Jeep owners want their vehicles to behave like sports cars or perhaps even go-carts. Wranglers are designed, built and intended to go places that most other vehicles can't. This infers a certain constraint to the possible spectrum of power possibilities.

While admittedly the diesel sounds the most attractive on paper, it has many disadvantages. Emission control strategies greatly limit it's true power potential. Maintenance requirements are certainly more pronounced and the extra weight and suspension compromises will work against off-road agility, at least without some further modification(s).

The 4xe, of all the options available on this poll, would absolutely be the less capable overall Jeep power-plant. While hybrid technology fits more of a commuter purpose, it has the most baggage of hauling around ancillary weight and complexity. What happens when that 17 KW battery eventually degrades to the point of being useless in 4 to 5 years? Batteries are really expensive to replace. This powertrain to me only makes sense for a two year lease, certainly not a long term investment.

Lastly, not included in the poll would be the 2.0L Turbo. Why do you suppose this is? Would you ever consider this power plant with a naturally aspirated engine? Never going to happen, it would be way too underpowered for any type of utility vehicle. The turbo, its complexity and inherent lag is an absolute necessity to make the four banger application even possible.

Nope, from my perspective the tried and true naturally aspirated V6 Pentastar is the best choice. Some may say the new 392 V8 is clearly the most sexy, but as a former Powertrain Software Engineer, I can state from experience that better than 50% of all software features are to restrict, govern and limit applied torque in order to protect the powertrain components. So in reality, the 392 V8 will deliver in real-time basically the same horsepower that the 3.6 V6 will produce. There is an upper limit to the amount of power that can be applied instantaneously. If you want to spend an insane amount of money to essentially get the same delivered output as the V6, be my guest at increasing FCA (or Stellantis) profit margins.

For what it's worth.
Jay

 

[gerlbaum]

Yet, two-thirds of Jeep buyers pick the V6...

Yup, it’s cheaper.

 

[gerlbaum]

Resale value on a Jeep has nothing to do with torque or power. 3.8 JKs command almost the same as 3.6 JKs. If anything, the push for DI, turbos and electric only makes a relatively simple V6 that much more valuable.

Oh, so a 392 doesn’t have a higher resale than a 3.6? That’s weird.

 

[aldo98229]

Yup, it’s cheaper.

The 2.0T is actually cheaper. FCA will give you money to get it.

 

[gerlbaum]

Meant vs diesel. I bought the diesel.

 

[Strommen95]

Oh, so a 392 doesn’t have a higher resale than a 3.6? That’s weird.

There’s substantially less 392s around than 2.0s, 3.0s, 4xe, etc. Not exactly a good comparison. Supply and demand.

 

[gerlbaum]

There’s substantially less 392s around than 2.0s, 3.0s, 4xe, etc. Not exactly a good comparison. Supply and demand.

Except that’s all there is to compare it to; you’re just not fond of the outcome. That is exactly what we’re comparing, jeeps with different engine options.

Those options are performance (little leeway in terms of performance, lol) options and bring more money in resale but also cost more upfront.

 

[Strommen95]

Except that’s all there is to compare it to; you’re just not fond of the outcome. That is exactly what we’re comparing, jeeps with different engine options.

Those options are performance (little leeway in terms of performance, lol) options and bring more money in resale but also cost more upfront.

I'm genuinely unsure if you're trolling or just ignorant. There's 100 3.6s for every 392. Actually, probably more than that. Are you suggesting for every 2.0, 3.0 and 4xe there is on the lot, there's an proportionate number of 392's to match?

If you spend 60k to get 40k back, the guy spending 45k and getting 33k back commands a higher resale. I guess you also think Rubicons have better resale than Sports because they cost more.

 

[gerlbaum]

I'm genuinely unsure if you're trolling or just ignorant. There's 100 3.6s for every 392. Actually, probably more than that. Are you suggesting for every 2.0, 3.0 and 4xe there is on the lot, there's an proportionate number of 392's to match?

If you spend 60k to get 40k back, the guy spending 45k and getting 33k back commands a higher resale. I guess you also think Rubicons have better resale than Sports because they cost more.

Oohh and I get an insult. Listen, he said torque or horsepower doesn’t come into play when discussing resale value. I think it does especially today when everyone talks about 0-60 times and the high torque EVs. It’s just an opinion, everyone has one. Relax. Then you come in talking number of vehicles sold. Why? How is that even relevant? Do a better just of explaining what you’re talking about and less time insulting people. Got it?!? Clearly I’m not going to discuss this with you any further.

 

[Strommen95]

Oohh and I get an insult. Listen, he said torque or horsepower doesn’t come into play when discussing resale value.

Where's the insult? Who's he? You mean me?

Supply and demand.

You’re talking about how many are sold. Why?

Why? Because the 392 is by far the option that's least available and also happens to be the newest. Not to mention it wasn't being discussed or mentioned by the OP.

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