~"Serious offroading"~

[JesseT]

Some people prefer serious on-roading

I feel like we're entering the realm of in-roading at this point. That's some uncharted territory right there.

This is extremely serious

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[autotragic]

I was hoping that this thread would contain pictures of people seriously off roading. Like these.

Not serious off roading.

Can be serious, we are about 40 miles down the beach.

I

That's just samples from the first couple years of potential serious off roading. It is nice to look back. This would be from about 2020 to 2022.

Trust me when I say that makes two of us. You're definitely making the most of retirement. Unfortunately I'm not to that stage yet and I only get so much vacation time per year and it ain't enough to go do things like that.

 

[wibornz]

Trust me when I say that makes two of us. You're definitely making the most of retirement. Unfortunately I'm not to that stage yet and I only get so much vacation time per year and it ain't enough to go do things like that.

I could not do what I do if I was still working. That is why I retired on my first day that I was eligible.

 

[Mocopo]

I disagree with most people here. Serious offroading does have an objective definition. It's just hard to pin point it.

I would argue it's somewhere in the 8 rated trail area. Basically the first rating that would require a modded rubicon. Your going to get people to say "i took a stock rubicon on Pritchett!" and that is why is so hard to pin point. You have some people that run way over modded for the trails they do, and others who are able to drag a less than capable rig through a rough trail.

I watched a video recently of a couple on an Overlanding trip. They got on a muddy narrow road in some rain. They were going slow, and a coyote of times the gladiator started sliding off the trail toward the drop off. The driver was freaking out lots of profanity, hyperventilating, seriously stressed. I've been there. I also learned that those situations aren't really that bad, you can stay calm and you'll be OK. I get in those situations now I'm almost giddy that I might get to break out the recovery gear and have some fun! On that video, that coyote would absolutely say what they were doing was "serious offroading," but the Ruth is it was their lack of experience and preparedness that made it seem serious, not the capability level of the vehicle. Change literally nothing about that scenario except driver experience and it goes from serious to no longer that serious?? I disagree. That's why it needs to be measured off sounding objective, such as vehicle capability.

 

[Mocopo]

I could not do what I do if I was still working. That is why I retired on my first day that I was eligible.

And spend your time on these forums giving us younger guys FOMO...

 

[BobW]

I was hoping that this thread would contain pictures of people seriously off roading. Like these.

Not serious off roading.

Can be serious, we are about 40 miles down the beach.

I

That's just samples from the first couple years of potential serious off roading. It is nice to look back. This would be from about 2020 to 2022.

A little like "serious skiing"...

 

[Matanzas]

I felt seriously unprepared with my puny green jeep in this lineup prior to an EJS run.

 

[Wabujitsu]

”Serious” off-roading is taking a totally ridiculous, inadequate car, throwing a few extras on it, and then taking it rock crawling.

 

[Ratbert]

I disagree with most people here. Serious offroading does have an objective definition. It's just hard to pin point it.

Is it possible that you have a different definition of objective than the rest of us? Here's what I understand it to be:

expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations

It's subjective, right?

 

[Zandcwhite]

As I said in the Land cruiser thread, serious can happen on almost any trail due to weather alone. A dirt road that's easy in 2wd and your buddies Subaru has no problem. Storm rolls in and now it's a combination of sloppy mud and snow that keeps getting deeper. I'd rather avoid spending the night in the vehicle so I'll err on the side of over prepared. I'd say anything that requires at least 1 locker and/or at least the ground clearance approach/delarture of a stock rubicon is serious. It's not extreme rock crawling like Johnson valley or fordyce but it's serious off roading. A downed tree can easily turn a dirt road into too serious for the low clearance crowd. If you're comfortable just turning back often and potentially getting stranded rather quickly by weather then it doesn't matter if your off road vehicle of choice is a Subaru or a land rover with street tires.

 

[hoch]

I didn’t buy my jeep for seriously off-roading (however that is defined). I bought it because it’s so unique and does so many things well. Compared to the other Toyota and Ford trucks/SUV’s I’ve had, it was ready to go out of the box, whether it was 5-6 rated trails (which is what I enjoy most these days), cruising around with the family, hauling 8’ lumber with the top down, etc. It was one of few that was offered in a manual transmission. There are assessors galore for it. I love driving it every day (although for salty winter roads, I relegate that to a beater Toyota. No sense in getting her rusty).
If I were only interested in “serious off-roading,” I’d probably trailer around a buggy or Razr on 35’s

…I'd rather avoid spending the night in the vehicle

Here I am, trying to make every excuse I can to spend a night in my Jeep “Sorry, honey. Got stuck again. See you tomorrow. I’m calling in sick ”

 

[Zandcwhite]

Is it possible that you have a different definition of objective than the rest of us? Here's what I understand it to be:


It's subjective, right?

That definition of objective I think fits but you'd need a pretty complex set of parameters to define "serious" off roading. The types of terrain and the trail conditions can change those parameters extensively. Serious could be anything too tough for a high clearance Subaru like the wildtrak, which is measurable and objective? The cvt and traction control really seems to struggle when it gets into off camber situations in the tests I've seen but it does have nearly the ground clearance of a stock wrangler. Deep mud/snow/sand seem to be too much for it as well. Obviously the Bronco/4runner/land cruiser are capable of serious off roading. They have low range transfer cases and are available with sway bar disconnects and at least rear lockers. Extreme rock crawling is a different level. If there's potential to need to winch I'd say it's serious. The problem there is getting everyone to agree on the parameters and definition as otherwise nothing fits the definition of objective as is an personal interpretation?

 

[Mocopo]

Is it possible that you have a different definition of objective than the rest of us?

Nope, i know what objective means, i agree with your provided definition. And i stand by my statement. I believe it to be objective. Doesn't mean it's not also debatable and not widely agreed upon. Also doesn't mean my definition is correct.

 

[cyked]

Subjective. Someone driving a prius thinks what someone driving an outback can do is serious offroading. Someone with a built buggy they trailer in might laugh at stock rubicons. And, there are people who feel whatever serious offroading to "you" is serious offroading, it's not a dick measuring contest.

 

[Mocopo]

That definition of objective I think fits but you'd need a pretty complex set of parameters to define "serious" off roading. The types of terrain and the trail conditions can change those parameters extensively. Serious could be anything too tough for a high clearance Subaru like the wildtrak, which is measurable and objective? The cvt and traction control really seems to struggle when it gets into off camber situations in the tests I've seen but it does have nearly the ground clearance of a stock wrangler. Deep mud/snow/sand seem to be too much for it as well. Obviously the Bronco/4runner/land cruiser are capable of serious off roading. They have low range transfer cases and are available with sway bar disconnects and at least rear lockers. Extreme rock crawling is a different level. If there's potential to need to winch I'd say it's serious. The problem there is getting everyone to agree on the parameters and definition as otherwise nothing fits the definition of objective as is an personal interpretation?

Exactly. It CAN be defined measurably. Getting everyone to agree on it is the unlikely part.
Leaving it subjective suggests that popping a curb could be considered serious offroading by some. Sorry, but I'm passed the idea of indulging "your truth." Losing a pencil is not as serious as losing a Bugati, and if we allow people to say it is we are only diluting the value of words.

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