Most capable Rubicon?

[entropy]

Please stop with the d$ck measuring contest in this thread. This is a about off roading capability not cargo capacity. We get it you love your 4 door.?

Ok if this is what we are gonna do. 8 inches. and happy with it.

That's about as much as I think the 2 door should be stretched. Jeez guys what were you thinking about.

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[Outrun]

Ok if this is what we are gonna do. 8 inches. and happy with it.

That's about as much as I think the 2 door should be stretched. Jeez guys what were you thinking about.

The 2 door needs to be stretched 21.6 inches.

 

[AnnDee4444]

Ok if this is what we are gonna do. 8 inches. and happy with it.

 

[JeepViking13]

Ok if this is what we are gonna do. 8 inches. and happy with it.

That's about as much as I think the 2 door should be stretched. Jeez guys what were you thinking about.

We all know 8 inches really means 6!! ?

 

[entropy]

I just returned from a 10 day camping and 3,500 miles road trip to 29th Black Hills Jeep Jamboree in my JLR. I found it very capable on and off road. On road I had no issues rolling along @ 80 MPH where posted. On trails my JL crawled over obsticles JLU's on 37's struggled and or got hung up on. Both J.J. trails I was on also had 4 drs. doing multi point turns. 4 dr. rigs went through but not cleanly. I was a Trials rider years ago and then running a "clean" section was the goal. Now I get just as much satisfaction for not loosing forward progress or having a spotter say, you made that look too easy. As far as cargo space I like glamping and got by but I removed the rear seats when I purchased it and for this trip even removed the passenger seat for a 45 qt. cooler. A receiver hitch cargo carrier was needed, my 37" spare on the cargo floor takes up a lot of space.

SoCal does not do Fall colors very well, Black Hills do.

You are gonna roll over.

 

[gato]

You do realize that when I say 4 door Rubicon all of that falls under the category right? It doesn't need to be separate. People can option their 4 door on their own any way they like or order the ER. I don't have to spell it out.

Just like 2 door folks can get the Mopar 2 inch lift and bigger tires. So should I put that on there as well?

Rubicon is a trim option. Just like 392 is a trim option and 4xe is a trim option. Xtreme Recon is a trim option that is what makes the Wrangler more capable offroad than it has ever been with 4.56 and 35" tires from the factory.

You picked some trim options for your poll, but left our the most important one. XR.

It is like having a poll on the most track capable 911 and leaving out the GT3-RS.

 

[AcesandEights]

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It is like having a poll on the most track capable 911 and leaving out the GT3-RS.

I think everyone knows to call 911, but what's a GT3-RS?

 

[JeepViking13]

Rubicon is a trim option. Just like 392 is a trim option and 4xe is a trim option. Xtreme Recon is a trim option that is what makes the Wrangler more capable offroad than it has ever been with 4.56 and 35" tires from the factory.

You picked some trim options for your poll, but left our the most important one. XR.

It is like having a poll on the most track capable 911 and leaving out the GT3-RS.

I was just trying to compare the standard Rubicons all on 33 inch tires without all the extra trim options getting in the mix. I explained earlier why I made the 392 separate because of how different it is from the rest with full time 4wd, reinforced frame , V8 , and CV joints.

Since you think the Extreme Recon makes the Wrangler more capable then it has ever been what would you say is more capable the new 2022 Willys Extreme Recon or Standard Rubicon? ?

 

[Zandcwhite]

I was just trying to compare the standard Rubicons all on 33 inch tires without all the extra trim options getting in the mix. I explained earlier why I made the 392 separate because of how different it is from the rest with full time 4wd, reinforced frame , V8 , and CV joints.

Since you think the Extreme Recon makes the Wrangler more capable then it has ever been what would you say is more capable the new 2022 Willys Extreme Recon or Standard Rubicon? ?

The Rubicon obviously, lockers make far more of a difference than 1 size tire change. If we are talking trails tough enough to test the capabilities, the 4-1 transfer case more than makes up for the slight gearing advantage the Willys has in high range. If you're talking 0 mods, I'd say the sway bar disconnect alone makes up for the slight tire size advantage the xr willys would have.

 

[JeepViking13]

The Rubicon obviously, lockers make far more of a difference than 1 size tire change. If we are talking trails tough enough to test the capabilities, the 4-1 transfer case more than makes up for the slight gearing advantage the Willys has in high range. If you're talking 0 mods, I'd say the sway bar disconnect alone makes up for the slight tire size advantage the xr willys would have.

I know all that. I just wanted to see what he had to say. He said the Recon package makes the Wrangler more capable then it has ever been. So I threw a curve ball with the new ER Willys.

 

[gato]

I was just trying to compare the standard Rubicons all on 33 inch tires without all the extra trim options getting in the mix. I explained earlier why I made the 392 separate because of how different it is from the rest with full time 4wd, reinforced frame , V8 , and CV joints.

Since you think the Extreme Recon makes the Wrangler more capable then it has ever been what would you say is more capable the new 2022 Willys Extreme Recon or Standard Rubicon? ?

I see you mentioned CV axles joints a few times. I'm not sure if you are under the impression that those are unique to the 392. They are not. Every JL European/Asian Rubicon has had CV joints. My 2021 JLUR 2.0T has CV joints, etc. CV Joints are the future of the Rubicon. Only the NAFT market has had U-joints on the Rubicon.

As to your question on Willys XR vs Standard Rubicon, for the type of trails I do (steep, rocky, off camber) 1 axle locker is equivalent to 2" of tire size as a rule of thumb. In other words a locked/locked rig on 33s is ruffly equivalent to a locked/open rig on 35s which is equivalent to a open/open rig on 37s. Given that the Willys XR has an LSD it is less capable than a locked/locked Rubicon on 33s. Also the sway bar disconnect is good for another inch of tire.

 

[gato]

I think everyone knows to call 911, but what's a GT3-RS?

If you have to ask.....

 

[Zandcwhite]

I see you mentioned CV axles joints a few times. I'm not sure if you are under the impression that those are unique to the 392. They are not. Every JL European/Asian Rubicon has had CV joints. My 2021 JLUR 2.0T has CV joints, etc. CV Joints are the future of the Rubicon. Only the NAFT market has had U-joints on the Rubicon.

As to your question on Willys XR vs Standard Rubicon, for the type of trails I do (steep, rocky, off camber) 1 axle locker is equivalent to 2" of tire size as a rule of thumb. In other words a locked/locked rig on 33s is ruffly equivalent to a locked/open rig on 35s which is equivalent to a open/open rig on 37s. Given that the Willys XR has an LSD it is less capable than a locked/locked Rubicon on 33s. Also the sway bar disconnect is good for another inch of tire.

If your jeep has 4 auto, it has cv's. I don't know about the future of the Rubicon, even my 89 xj with "full time 4wd" had cv joints. It's nothing new, they typically only run cv's on the full time/auto Jeeps for the last ~40 years.

 

[entropy]

The Rubicon obviously, lockers make far more of a difference than 1 size tire change. If we are talking trails tough enough to test the capabilities, the 4-1 transfer case more than makes up for the slight gearing advantage the Willys has in high range. If you're talking 0 mods, I'd say the sway bar disconnect alone makes up for the slight tire size advantage the xr willys would have.

Sway bar disconnect? 18mm wrench and ratchet and 2 minutes of your time. Is anyone actually wheeling without disconnecting?

But yeah id take rubi on 33s over willys on 35s any day in terms of capabilities. Unless the willys XR had lockers. those lockers are huuuuge help. Wheeling the open difs on hard trails is not easy at all, requires lots of effort. The lower crawl ratio I can deal with, the sport and willys transfer case has a low enough ratio, with a bit of left foot technique you can get by. Having no lockers require a lot more skill. But id still rather have the lower crawl ratio than not obviously.

Lower crawl ratio makes it easier. But no lockers sometimes means youre gonna have to stack rocks and/or send it and risk body damage sometimes. And in some scenarios, although not very often, youll have to winch.

That rear LSD helps to close the gap a bunch. And in combination with BLD it acts almost like a locker a lot of the times. but the moment you lift a tire it does absolutely nothing. Been there done that. at a minimum you need the rear lsd + front locker + skill to have a chance to match the rubicon capabilities on a sport. Thats just reality.

 

[AcesandEights]

If you have to ask.....

Oh, now you're just being catty.

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