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[grimmjeeper]

Since we're talking gears, here's my other car. It does not have an overdrive, and I kind of wonder why all transmissions aren't built with the top gear being 1:1 to reduce drivetrain losses at cruising speeds.

• 1st: 5.087
• 2nd: 2.991
• 3rd: 2.035
• 4th: 1.594
• 5th: 1.286
• 6th: 1.000
• Final Drive: 2.866

With a trans like that they'd run a taller axle gear to get optimal highway RPMs. You'd see axle gears in the low 3.x or high 2.x range instead of the gears we see now.

I bet it's also because a lower 1st gear in the trans is harder on u-joints due to torque multiplication.

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[jeepingib]

So @TheRaven do you finally see that it's not just me, or the boys from NC, but several members here who are calling you out for your behavior. That maybe, just maybe the issue is with you and your obstinance vs. the "rest of the forum just don't understand." I'm paraphrasing that statement to prove a point.

If you continually have a problem with everyone, it might be time to consider that you are the problem.

 

[grimmjeeper]

So @TheRaven do you finally see that it's not just me, or the boys from NC, but several members here who are calling you out for your behavior. That maybe, just maybe the issue is with you and your obstinance vs. the "rest of the forum just don't understand." I'm paraphrasing that statement to prove a point.

If you continually have a problem with everyone, it might be time to consider that you are the problem.

An old boss had a tag line on his email.

"The only common denominator in all of your failed relationships is you."

 

[jeepingib]

Thats actually kinda wild since most of the time 4th is going to be your 1:1 and 5/6 are gonna be overdrive for cruising and fuel econ. What kinda car is it?

I remember seeing this back before OD was the norm. Even when OD was becoming more common it was usually just 6th. Having 2 OD gears is fairly new in applications.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Electricity is only part of the equation. You need more than just electricity. You need the capacity for at least level 2 charging, which is barely going to fit on smaller residential services (assuming they like AC, heat, refrigeration and the ability to wash clothing too). And there's all those people in small towns with street only parking. How do you plug in?

But yeah this will change over time. People don't have gas stations at home but almost everyone does have easy access to fuel up their car in less than five minutes at a nearby gas station. Once that becomes true of EV charging stations across the country, large scale EV adoption can happen. Problem is, as noted, that's a very long way off.

You could tandem off your dryer outlet for your L2 charger. Your dryer runs for an hour tops, set your L2 charger to start charging 1 hour after bed and you're set. My buddy lives in Oakland and charges his model X on the street in front of the duplex he owns via a conduit he installed under the sidewalk into the planter. Sure if you want excuses not to adopt an EV you can find them, but at this point most are easily solved.

 

[Ratbert]

People don't have gas stations at home but almost everyone does have easy access to fuel up their car in less than five minutes at a nearby gas station.

You might not have spent a lot of time out West, but there are places where it's over 100 miles between gas stations. It's even riskier with diesel, where we finally agreed to not let it drop below half a tank before filling up at the next available station while on those trips.

 

[jeepingib]

You might not have spent a lot of time out West, but there are places where it's over 100 miles between gas stations. It's even riskier with diesel, where we finally agreed to not let it drop below half a tank before filling up at the next available station while on those trips.

I was thinking this when reading the EV BS he was talking about. I've lived in places that still to this day don't have a gas station, or had one and lost it.

 

[grimmjeeper]

I was thinking this when reading the EV BS he was talking about. I've lived in places that still to this day don't have a gas station, or had one and lost it.

The having one and lost it is a much more common thing now. Especially in rural parts of the country where population is in decline. My grandfather ran a garage and a gas station in a small farm town in North Dakota. That town used to be dozens of families, and there were maybe 3-4 families per square mile in the surrounding farm country. By the time I grew up you were lucky to have 1 family per square mile and it's only declining more as time goes on. He shut down and retired in the 90s. Now you have to go a good 40 miles to find the nearest gas station.

 

[Ratbert]

I was thinking this when reading the EV BS he was talking about. I've lived in places that still to this day don't have a gas station, or had one and lost it.

There was apparently a (now gone) gas station in our town before we moved here, but hell, we don't even have a stop light. Living out here is orders of magnitude better than being stuck in suburbia. IMHO, of course.

I still need to remind my wife that no, the gas station in the town north of us (10 miles away) doesn't have diesel.

 

[jeepingib]

The having one and lost it is a much more common thing now. Especially in rural parts of the country where population is in decline. My grandfather ran a garage and a gas station in a small farm town in North Dakota. That town used to be dozens of families, and there were maybe 3-4 families per square mile in the surrounding farm country. By the time I grew up you were lucky to have 1 family per square mile and it's only declining more as time goes on. He shut down and retired in the 90s. Now you have to go a good 40 miles to find the nearest gas station.

Similar situation. My father ran a small auto and tractor maintenance shop that used to have pumps. Absolutely nothing there or within several surrounding towns now. Where my folks live now would probably be the same, but they get tourism from being on a fairly large lake.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Similar situation. My father ran a small auto and tractor maintenance shop that used to have pumps. Absolutely nothing there or within several surrounding towns now. Where my folks live now would probably be the same, but they get tourism from being on a fairly large lake.

I did a search to confirm. Turns out there's a single automated pump in town. No station. No kiosk. Not even a vending machine. Just a pump with a concrete pad and an overhead light. That's probably the only sustainable way to sell gas in those parts.

 

[TheRaven]

You could tandem off your dryer outlet for your L2 charger. Your dryer runs for an hour tops, set your L2 charger to start charging 1 hour after bed and you're set. My buddy lives in Oakland and charges his model X on the street in front of the duplex he owns via a conduit he installed under the sidewalk into the planter. Sure if you want excuses not to adopt an EV you can find them, but at this point most are easily solved.

That still leaves the problem of AC or electric heat...you can't go a winter night without heat or a summer day without AC just to charge your car...and those are precisely the times when you will need a charge the most. The vast majority of small towns are made up of "town" houses that have 80-100A services. That's not enough for a level 2 or higher charger and all the other comforts that come with modern life.

We mostly agree on EVs anyway so i'm just going to leave it at this. Agree to disagree on the rest.

 

[Ratbert]

The vast majority of small towns are made up of "town" houses that have 80-100A services.

Maybe I'm overly hesitant to believe everything you say, but you're not just making things up, right?

 

[AnnDee4444]

Thats actually kinda wild since most of the time 4th is going to be your 1:1 and 5/6 are gonna be overdrive for cruising and fuel econ. What kinda car is it?

Mazda MX-5 (formerly known as Miata). Yup, that-thar is 181 raging hamster powers under the hood. But considering I'm WOT most of the time and still get over 30 MPG, I'd call it a win.

They were pretty obsessive about removing weight, and apparently the strange gearing allowed for a physically smaller and lighter differential. The bonus is less drivetrain loss in top gear... which I think actually makes a difference at higher speeds.

There are somewhat common transmission issues, rumored to possibly be related to the low first gear putting lots of stress on the case. I wonder if this is why the JL's manual has such a low torque rating also.

 

[jeepingib]

Maybe I'm overly hesitant to believe everything you say, but you're not just making things up, right?

If it wasn't true, then I just don't know what I would do.

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