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You would have to contact Jon at RPM extreme. As of now I don.t think so put he is adding more models over time.
Okay I’ll check with him. Maybe he needs a test vehicle.
 

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Okay I’ll check with him. Maybe he needs a test vehicle.
That's what happened with the 2.0.
I believe a forum member went to his shop and and Jon set one up for him.
Maybe a member here is close to his shop and can go see him for testing for the 3.0 diesel.
 

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Ahhhh, 225°f is not hot.

If you were running 250°f+, then you might want to start looking into it, but 210-235°f is normal operating temperature when your engine's been working.
Please explain this to me , I have a 17 WK2 with the same generation Pentastar with 8speed trans, it sits at the thermostat 194F temp all day long, recently towed a boat for 600 miles, highest temp recorded was 202-205 while pulling a grade. 100k miles original oil cooler, head gaskets etc. Wrangler sits in traffic, 220F temp
 

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I have not seen any motor running as hot as the Wranglers.
My tundra and F250 run about 190 and I only see 212 with my F250 pulling a hill with my trailer and my jeep on the trailer.
My wife has a 2020 Subaru Forester Sport four banger. It's a flat-4 boxer engine, in the summertime in Texas with 100 plus degree weather it usually sits around 220°f to 225°f, but on long drives when we go down south, I've seen it get up to 235°f.

Diesel trucks tend to run hot as well. My EcoDiesel averages (pre-tune) 220°f normal operating temperature during the summer, and 212°f normal operating temperature in the winter. (Post-tune) My summer average is 212°f, with my winter average being 198°f.
 

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Please explain this to me , I have a 17 WK2 with the same generation Pentastar with 8speed trans, it sits at the thermostat 194F temp all day long, recently towed a boat for 600 miles, highest temp recorded was 202-205 while pulling a grade. 100k miles original oil cooler, head gaskets etc. Wrangler sits in traffic, 220F temp
I couldn't possibly tell you about your individual use. There's so many affecting factors that affect engine temperatures. I'm just telling you what the safe operating temperatures are.

In general that's a pretty universal thing. You're going to have temperatures at which every engine will have issues, and you'll have temperatures that every engine won't have issues. As long as you're below 245°f I wouldn't worry too much. If your regularly seeing 250°f and above, you probably got something you should look into, because at that temperature you going to start losing gaskets.
 

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I couldn't possibly tell you about your individual use. There's so many affecting factors that affect engine temperatures. I'm just telling you what the safe operating temperatures are.

In general that's a pretty universal thing. You're going to have temperatures at which every engine will have issues, and you'll have temperatures that every engine won't have issues. As long as you're below 245°f I wouldn't worry too much. If your regularly seeing 250°f and above, you probably got something you should look into, because at that temperature you going to start losing gaskets.
I was wondering why so many worry about 225°F to 240°F operating temp. Though with the small radiator 245°F could quickly overheat when exerted, since there is hardly any cooling headroom in its design. Also, probably the main reason why fan speed at 75% is common that the engine is within limits. I would think once engine hits 250°F the fan speed will be at 100%.

One other thing, unless the remote radiator is mounted to allow float for jarring... the issue with flex stress on it will crack like OEM. There was a fix on a JT thead, to use tensioner springs and longer mounting bolts to allow better float characteristics for the radiator. I assume harsh wheeling is the main cause for cracking radiators at the aluminum to plastic tank seam, which is on each side where the radiator mounts.
 

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I was wondering why so many worry about 225°F to 240°F operating temp. Though with the small radiator 245°F could quickly overheat when exerted, since there is hardly any cooling headroom in its design. Also, probably the main reason why fan speed at 75% is common that the engine is within limits. I would think once engine hits 250°F the fan speed will be at 100%.

One other thing, unless the remote radiator is mounted to allow float for jarring... the issue with flex stress on it will crack like OEM. There was a fix on a JT thead, to use tensioner springs and longer mounting bolts to allow better float characteristics for the radiator. I assume harsh wheeling is the main cause for cracking radiators at the aluminum to plastic tank seam, which is on each side where the radiator mounts.
I don't worry about 225F, I worry about how easy it gets there and keeps climbing and how the oil is almost always 10-15F hotter. It just shows how the system has little capability to control additional heat beyond the minimums.
 

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I have the same set up put with 4.88s 37s and weigh in at 6600lbs. fully loaded with gear.
Coming back from Moab pulling a 4000ft to 8000ft mountain pass I only hit 212 coolant and 225 oil.
In Moab and Sand Hollow 208 was tops.
You A/C will kick on the fan as needed for cooling the condenser. Not necessarily high speed.
I have had the same results with both my 2018 Rubicon JL and my 2020 Willys. Coolant and oil down by 25+ degrees.
Here is the fan speeds with the RPM fan controller.

Fahrenheit
195 degrees = 15%
199 degrees = 30%
205 degrees = 50%
212 degrees = 75% This is the highest I have seen
218+ degrees = 100%
I ordered mine with the positive tiger 100% high speed by pass put have never had to use it.

It is impotent to note that factory set up at 231 degrees you fan is only spinning at about 75% fan speed.

Thanks for the info. I don't need anything special or extra. Just want it to stay cooler.
 

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Thanks for the info. I don't need anything special or extra. Just want it to stay cooler.
???? So, you want it to stay cooler, but you don't want to do anything?
 

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I don't worry about 225F, I worry about how easy it gets there and keeps climbing and how the oil is almost always 10-15F hotter. It just shows how the system has little capability to control additional heat beyond the minimums.
95% of the oil temps I get are about the same as yours. The v6 is set to operate around 220°F or so.

Engine oil should be hotter than engine coolent temp. It is in direct contact with components under friction, and in controling piston heat. It is key to displacing heat, as for v6 having an oil cooler.

Remember oil flash point on most oils can be 400°+ F for good reason. I am sure the oil down in the pan will be above what is measured at the sensor on the cooler. The cooler is doing its job in lowering the oil temp.
 

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Please explain this to me , I have a 17 WK2 with the same generation Pentastar with 8speed trans, it sits at the thermostat 194F temp all day long, recently towed a boat for 600 miles, highest temp recorded was 202-205 while pulling a grade. 100k miles original oil cooler, head gaskets etc. Wrangler sits in traffic, 220F temp
If you are asking why your JL's engine temps are high while sitting in traffic, it's simply because there is no relative air movement into the radiator. If there's no cool air coming in, then your engine basically just soaks in it's own heat until the thermostat opens and the fan kicks in.
 

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If you are asking why your JL's engine temps are high while sitting in traffic, it's simply because there is no relative air movement into the radiator. If there's no cool air coming in, then your engine basically just soaks in it's own heat until the thermostat opens and the fan kicks in.
I get that there is no relative air movement, but my Grand Cherokee has the exact same engine, produced by the same manufacturer, same thermostat. Jeep WK2 has an ability to manage a steady temperature all day long, while Wrangler fluctuates 30 degrees all the time.
 

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I get that there is no relative air movement, but my Grand Cherokee has the exact same engine, produced by the same manufacturer, same thermostat. Jeep WK2 has an ability to manage a steady temperature all day long, while Wrangler fluctuates 30 degrees all the time.
I also have a 2016 GC with the Pentastar engine, and noticed the same thing as soon as I started driving my '21 JL. It is important to note that although the engines are similar, they aren't exactly the same. For instance, the GC's Pentastar oil capacity is 6 qts, while the JL's is 5 qts. I know the differences don't end there, but there are likely several that account for the different temps and other performance parameters. While both are called "Pentastar," it's like comparing apples and oranges.
 

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I get that there is no relative air movement, but my Grand Cherokee has the exact same engine, produced by the same manufacturer, same thermostat. Jeep WK2 has an ability to manage a steady temperature all day long, while Wrangler fluctuates 30 degrees all the time.
It also has a bigger grill and radiator.
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