Emergency Ignition Shutoff

[Jeepsterfreak]

Trying to get your fob out of your pocket, push the key blade button, try to pry that cover off all while trying to keep control of your run away Jeep seems very challenging. I would be tempted to just leave off that cover or modify the latch so it doesn’t have to be pried off. Obviously we are talking about an extremely rare occurance of all electronics failing.

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[RussJeep1]

Trying to get your fob out of your pocket, push the key blade button, try to pry that cover off all while trying to keep control of your run away Jeep seems very challenging. I would be tempted to just leave off that cover or modify the latch so it doesn’t have to be pried off. Obviously we are talking about an extremely rare occurance of all electronics failing.

Thank you. Seriously Jeepsterfreak. THIS is a well thought out comment even though it runs contrary to my suggestion.

To this I'd respond that the study of military scenarios has shown that 1) people are capable of enormous things in times of emergency, and that 2) we fall back on our training.

 

[Blood Type J+]

If you pull that cord the transmission disengages from the gear shifter and engine regardless of what gear your in, regardless if the rig's engine is on or off: short of the cable breaking it always f_ing works. In the automobile world we call that neutral, even if the little "N" on the "gear shifter thingy" (to dumb it down for you) might say otherwise, or nothing at all.

It most certainly, to quote you, DOES disconnect the engine from the drive train: the quintessential definition of vehicle transmissional neutrality.

NO. This is completely incorrect. Please stop trying to misinform people.

Engaging the cable is a mechanical way to disengage the pall pin which is the difference between being in Park rather than just neutral. Pulling the cable has absolutely NO effect unless the transmission is in Park. It does NOT cause the transmission to shift to neutral.

 

[Jeepsterfreak]

Thank you. Seriously Jeepsterfreak. THIS is a well thought out comment even though it runs contrary to my suggestion.

To this I'd respond that the study of military scenarios has shown that 1) people are capable of enormous things in times of emergency, and that 2) we fall back on our training.

Unfortunately most drivers on the road never even read their owner’s manual. They would never know to press the ignition button for 2 seconds (or 3 short pushes in a row) to kill their engine as described in the owner’s manual.

 

[Jeepsterfreak]

NO. This is completely incorrect. Please stop trying to misinform people.

Engaging the cable is a mechanical way to disengage the pall pin which is the difference between being in Park rather than just neutral. Pulling the cable has absolutely NO effect unless the transmission is in Park. It does NOT cause the transmission to shift to neutral.

Interesting. This is from the manual.

Manual Park Release
In order to push or tow the vehicle in cases where the transmission will not shift out of PARK (such as a dead battery), a Manual Park Release is available.

I suppose if someone wants to test it for themself, turn off ess, park, put the Jeep in drive with the engine running, pull the strap. Take your foot off the brake and hit the throttle. Does the Jeep move forward?

 

[old8tora]

Unfortunately most drivers on the road never even read their owner’s manual. They would never know to press the ignition button for 2 seconds (or 3 short pushes in a row) to kill their engine as described in the owner’s manual.

Good point . Even if they read their manual , they would not remember it in an emergency . 4-door Jeep owners are like that . Only 2-door Jeep owners know what they are doing .

Furthermore , if a driver of a vehicle doesn't have the common sense to shift it into Neutral and Press the Foot Brakes , and then pull the hand brake , to Finally Stop the vehicle , then the driver ought Not have a driver's license .

Horse riders know that if a horse bolts at the sight of a mouse , the rider needs to slow it down and stop it before it injures itself , then calm it down and walk it home .

More Furthermore , if an owner purchases any vehicle with a Key Fob , and then uses a RECALLED wuss cruise control , then the driver is an idiot ; and will never graduate from the coin-operated riding horse outside the drugstore .

But , I am always correct in these matters . Just stop the Jeep already as fast as you can .

 

[Bswen]

I really hate being right, but here you go: (so it seems that everyone claiming the cruise control problem included the problem of the shifter not working was incorrect - this is directly from the MOPAR page for my VIN).

Incomplete
Recall Date
May 23, 2018
FCA Recall #
U62
NHTSA Recall #
18V-332
Safety Defect/Non Compliance Description and Safety Risk

The fault handling strategy of the Engine Control Module (ECM) or PCM software in the affected vehicles does not remove positive torque requests from the engine controller if the CAN-C bus stops communicating while the cruise control is requesting positive torque. If the CAN-C bus stops communicating the cruise control may maintain current vehicle speed or possibly accelerate. If the driver does not shift to neutral or apply the brakes to stop the vehicle this condition can cause a vehicle crash without warning.

Repair Description

Inspect the software level of the ECM/PCM and, if necessary, perform a software flash on the ECM/PCM of affected vehicles to improve the fault handling so that if the CAN-C bus does stop communicating any active torque requests will be cleared.

Recall Status

INCOMPLETE BUT REPAIR PARTS ARE AVAILABLE

 

[jlroman2]

I really hate being right, but here you go: (so it seems that everyone claiming the cruise control problem included the problem of the shifter not working was incorrect - this is directly from the MOPAR page for my VIN).

Incomplete
Recall Date
May 23, 2018
FCA Recall #
U62
NHTSA Recall #
18V-332
Safety Defect/Non Compliance Description and Safety Risk

The fault handling strategy of the Engine Control Module (ECM) or PCM software in the affected vehicles does not remove positive torque requests from the engine controller if the CAN-C bus stops communicating while the cruise control is requesting positive torque. If the CAN-C bus stops communicating the cruise control may maintain current vehicle speed or possibly accelerate. If the driver does not shift to neutral or apply the brakes to stop the vehicle this condition can cause a vehicle crash without warning.

Repair Description

Inspect the software level of the ECM/PCM and, if necessary, perform a software flash on the ECM/PCM of affected vehicles to improve the fault handling so that if the CAN-C bus does stop communicating any active torque requests will be cleared.

Recall Status

INCOMPLETE BUT REPAIR PARTS ARE AVAILABLE

I just got the notification for this same recall. Are they checking all Jeeps for this problem or only if the VIN was identified with the problem?

 

[That One Guy]

Side topic: I'm happy they didn't move the JL to those damned electronic push button parking brakes..

 

[Sean L]

Side topic: I'm happy they didn't move the JL to those damned electronic push button parking brakes..

I'm glad the engineers thought that would make it a little less "Wranglery" if they did that.

 

[That One Guy]

I'm glad the engineers thought that would make it a little less "Wranglery" if they did that.

I wish they would've extended that line of thinking to "maybe we shouldn't throw a second auxillary battery in this vehicle that people like going to the edge of the world in."

They did enough things right that it's hard to fault the wrongs. You can still get a six speed manual and crank windows! That alone is pretty damned cool.

 

[Sean L]

I wish they would've extended that line of thinking to "maybe we shouldn't throw a second auxillary battery in this vehicle that people like going to the edge of the world in."

They did enough things right that it's hard to fault the wrongs. You can still get a six speed manual and crank windows! That alone is pretty damned cool.

More heavy duty electrical system is somehow bad?

 

[That One Guy]

More heavy duty electrical system is somehow bad?

More needlessly complicated. To me, a second, smaller battery is another thing to go wrong. Same with ESS. I wish it was optional on the budget models.

 

[Sean L]

More needlessly complicated. To me, a second, smaller battery is another thing to go wrong. Same with ESS. I wish it was optional on the budget models.

ESS has given me no trouble, and its the reason for the second battery anyways. All these things are proven tech on other Jeeps but just never included on the Wrangler until the JL was developed.

 

[jlroman2]

So was this recall the one about the cruise control malfunctioning? I went to the dealership and asked for the safety recall update regarding the cruise control. The service guy claimed that they didn't have that update in yet. Then, I'm like well take care of the one it currently shows. So he did and he said it was just a system reboot. Not sure if he knew what he was talking about or in fact this wasn't that recall (although it clearly says in the description).

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