Diesel engine additives test

[grimmjeeper]

A wear scar? That's the fundamental thing they were testing. The thing that damages our fuel pumps.

Normally you seem to be pretty damn exceptional at researching things. Yes, it's a stupidly long video, but you can scrub to the sections where the throw up charts.

Unless they show actual engines torn down and document the use of the additives in real world driving, I'm somewhat skeptical of what those "wear scars" actually tell us.

Sales people are really good at framing the discussion to show their product in a good light without actually proving anything.

Never trust anyone who has a vested interest in selling something.

Perfect example is the Banks differential cover. They have some really well produced videos but never actually talk about bearing failure or show any documentaries that their cover has a measurable impact on bearing life.

And yes, I have bought several of their products that do what they are advertised to do.

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[Tredsdert]

A wear scar? That's the fundamental thing they were testing. The thing that damages our fuel pumps.

Normally you seem to be pretty damn exceptional at researching things. Yes, it's a stupidly long video, but you can scrub to the sections where the throw up charts.

I think I'm just going to keep running Marvel Mystery Oil until someone does a study saying that it's trash... At which point I'll keep running it anyways because it's been working for me so far!

Hey, at minimum it smells delicious!

 

[Ratbert]

Unless they show actual engines torn down and document the use of the additives in real world driving, I'm somewhat skeptical of what those "wear scars" actually tell us.

Sales people are really good at framing the discussion to show their product in a good light without actually proving anything.

Never trust anyone who has a vested interest in selling something.

Perfect example is the Banks differential cover. They have some really well produced videos but never actually talk about bearing failure or show any documentaries that their cover has a measurable impact on bearing life.

And yes, I have bought several of their products that do what they are advertised to do.

Nobody in the original video had a vested interest in selling anything. And, of course, no test like what they did is perfect. It was about as good as it gets, however, unless you have an incredibly massive budget.

 

[21JLURDG]

In that sense, any diesel additive lubricant works. Don't matter if it has more potassium, or less ash, or more this and that, or more whatever, if it lubricates it's good enough for your EcoDiesel!

My opinion is similar in that having just some additional fuel lubrication is good enough to lower the chances of the CP4 failing. The other major concern for our engines is degraded lubrication of the crankshaft journals due to contamination from the emissions system.

But as I was watching the video, I kept wondering if the treatment rate made any difference. I'm no expert but I wondered if EDT's lower performance might have something to do with the lower (and cheaper) treatment rate. The top performer calls for 6x the EDT rate at 5x the cost. If I doubled the dosage, would I get more protection?

My last purchase of EDT, including tax, works out to 2.4¢/gal of diesel. It's easy carrying EDT's small bottle with integrated measuring cup to add 1/2 oz every fill up that's typically around 12 gal.

 

[CO2Wrangler]

My opinion is similar in that having just some additional fuel lubrication is good enough to lower the chances of the CP4 failing. The other major concern for our engines is degraded lubrication of the crankshaft journals due to contamination from the emissions system.

But as I was watching the video, I kept wondering if the treatment rate made any difference. I'm no expert but I wondered if EDT's lower performance might have something to do with the lower (and cheaper) treatment rate. The top performer calls for 6x the EDT rate at 5x the cost. If I doubled the dosage, would I get more protection?

My last purchase of EDT, including tax, works out to 2.4¢/gal of diesel. It's easy carrying EDT's small bottle with integrated measuring cup to add 1/2 oz every fill up that's typically around 12 gal.

This was my thought as well. I use the performance dose of EDT which is essentially double. I wonder what that would do. Guessing I'll just switch to the XDP and put the 4oz in every fill-up.

 

[Ratbert]

Here's a similar set of tests by Project Farm. And no, he didn't test @Tredsdert's "definitely not snake oil" Marvel Mystery Oil.

 

[Tredsdert]

And no, he didn't test... Marvel Mystery Oil.

Then why would I bother watching it.

 

[Ratbert]

Then why would I bother watching it.

He tested Amsoil!

 

[Tredsdert]

He tested Amsoil!

I haven't used AmSoil in a while. It's pricey. Too pricey!

One thing this thread did teach me, no more HotShots! MMO-4-LIFE!!!

 

[zouch]

man, talk about sensationalistic titles,..!
that one would make me Just Say No.

Here's a similar set of tests by Project Farm. And no, he didn't test @Tredsdert's "definitely not snake oil" Marvel Mystery Oil.

 

[Ratbert]

man, talk about sensationalistic titles,..!
that one would make me Just Say No.

The title is "Are Diesel Fuel Additives a Scam? Let's Settle This!" That's sensationalistic?

 

[zouch]

what i see is "Some will leave you stranded!".
so, yes.

The title is "Are Diesel Fuel Additives a Scam? Let's Settle This!" That's sensationalistic?

 

[Tread4Lo]

I think when the words on the thumbnail are "some will leave you stranded...". Clickbait titles under the title to sensationalize and cause panic.

 

[Ratbert]

I think when the words on the thumbnail are "some will leave you stranded...". Clickbait titles under the title to sensationalize and cause panic.

Definitely. The thumbnail was very clearly clickbait.

This video actually uses testing to attempt to determine which product performs its proposed job best. For me it was shocking to see the differences in scarring for the various products.

 

[1945gpw]

Jesus Christ man, 46 minutes with an outcome that I can probably guess without doing any research whatsoever:

Some brands are better than other brands, some brands are significantly better than other brands, but at the end of the day, anything is better than nothing. If it lubricates, it's good enough for the EcoDiesel.

Damn, I just saved 45 minutes by using a little bit of common sense!

Personally I use Marvel Mystery Oil. They say it's not meant for diesels, but the days of 2000 PPM sulfur in your diesel fuel are long gone. Sulfur is good for diesel engines, may not be good for the environment, but it's great for your diesel engine! Marvel Mystery Oil will take your 15 PPM sulfur diesel fuel you get from the pump, and it will up it all the way up to the evil amount of 16 PPM... I know, crazy right!?

I don't know how much most you guys actually know about why most of us EcoDiesel owners use fuel additives, and how many of you are just doing it because everyone's telling you you should, but the only reason you should be using a fuel additive in your EcoDiesel is because of the BOSCH CP4.2 HPFP.

Don't matter if you have a recall-completed Bosch CP4.2 or if you have the original one that came on your Jeep, if you have a CP4.2 on your Wrangler, you should be doing the smart thing and using a fuel lubricant to aid in the possibility that you get a void situation and your Bosch CP4.2 doesn't grenade your entire engine.

In that sense, any diesel additive lubricant works. Don't matter if it has more potassium, or less ash, or more this and that, or more whatever, if it lubricates it's good enough for your EcoDiesel!

In the situation where any of us were to get a actual fix for the Bosch CP4.2 HPFP, and were to install something such as the RCD CPX, then in reality, adding fuel additives after that would simply be FEAR INSURANCE, You wouldn't actually need any fuel additives assuming you are driving lots of highway miles as you should be if you purchased an EcoDiesel to begin with, and you're getting regular regens.

So that being said, y'all should do yourselves a favor, save some money, stop buying those overpriced nonsensical extra BS fuel additives, and get you some Marvel Mystery Oil. 1 gallon for $22 bucks, and the limited assurance that your Bosch CP4.2 might not brick your whole engine if it does hit a void scenario.

There has been 3rd party testing done on many of the fuel additives available, including Marvel mystery oil and that product actually increases the wear scaring as shown in the result of this thread.

https://www.dieselplace.com/threads/lubricity-additive-study-results.177728/

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