Bronco vs Jeep Wrangler mega thread

[Headbarcode]

No, it's just you.

Well, than its a good thing I don't get lonely. Voices in the head to the rescue again.

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[imjester77]

As soon as someone does a true side by side model comparison of them running the same trail, same lines, same stock unmodified configuration, same equivilent trim level (not a Sport or Saharah vs the top of the line or a 2 door vs a 4 door), then the votes will be cast! but so far after seeing the images on facebook and twitter and all over the internet of the trail damage done to these rigs in a one day trail test on on the Rubicon Trail, that keeps me suspect that it will compete. Some of those Broncos took some really good hits! for a $45k+ vehicle , no thanks!

 

[zrickety]

If Ford does the Bronco like every other vehicle, parts will super expensive, break often, and the dealerships are dicks. I actually like what I see but I won't give up my Jeep.

 

[sardog12]

As a convertible only driver, I will choose whichever vehicle has the better powered soft top. If bronco comes out with something better than a sliding rag top, then Bronco takes my money, because I also love the B pillar delete and frameless doors!

I think you'll be holding your breath on the powered soft top because it doesn't appear that the Bronco has one and the aftermarket offering for the Jeep looks hideous. The lack of a B pillar from an off-road standpoint concerns me. It obviously concerns the Ford safety team as well since many of the videos that have been shown of the testing shows an interior cage behind the driver which includes a B pillar, despite their claims of not needing one. It may very well be safe but the Bronco engineers couldn't convince their safety persons that it was safe enough.

 

[Headbarcode]

Just messin' with ya....

If an FJC is pretty modded up, I'll look...just like any other heavily modded 4x4....you tend to see a lot of cool stuff and some down right scary stuff in the Phoenix area.

Oh, I knew you were. Hence the returned winky face thing. Lol

Being a fan of a specific brand, and showing loyalty to it, is a great thing. It fuels these entusiast forums that serve as a refuge of sorts, for those of us that would otherwise be alienated by our not-that-into-it friends and family. I'm already known for Jeep being one of my favorite topics, so I refrain from drowning those in my immediate with too much of it. I save it all for you all. Muahaha!

Blind loyalty is when things get dicey and conversation goes nowhere fast. I'm the same, in that I'll always either rubber neck or go crouch down next to (respectfully, of course) any other offroad minded vehicle that looks like time and money was invested.

 

[Black Jeep Convertible]

I think you'll be holding your breath on the powered soft top because it doesn't appear that the Bronco has one and the aftermarket offering for the Jeep looks hideous. The lack of a B pillar from an off-road standpoint concerns me. It obviously concerns the Ford safety team as well since many of the videos that have been shown of the testing shows an interior cage behind the driver which includes a B pillar, despite their claims of not needing one. It may very well be safe but the Bronco engineers couldn't convince their safety persons that it was safe enough.

I have the aftermarket one for the Jeep and it’s beautiful

 

[aldo98229]

They just do not appear to be rugged. I don't think they will stand up to the pounding of years of trail running. It is nothing to see 20+ year old jeeps out on the trail getting it done. I just do not see this in these vehicles. They will be a hoopty after 5 years of trail use. There is no way that one of them will pull $25,000 dollars in resale value with 150,000 miles on it like a Jeep Rubicon will. Just not going to happen. They will be a $5000 dollar chevy blazer, or ford escape in the future.

Wranglers have one key advantage over most other vehicles: if you damage a fender, repairing it is pretty easy. You can cut them up, or remove them, or replace them with a variety of aftermarket options.

This Bronco uses regular body panels for fenders. You damage one, and you either pay up a body shop to fix it, or drive around in a dented car that looks like a 30-year old jalopy.

 

[Black Jeep Convertible]

The lack of a B pillar from an off-road standpoint concerns me. It obviously concerns the Ford safety team as well since many of the videos that have been shown of the testing shows an interior cage behind the driver which includes a B pillar, despite their claims of not needing one. It may very well be safe but the Bronco engineers couldn't convince their safety persons that it was safe enough.

Im not worried about the missing b pillar which allows even more freedom

I’ve owned true convertibles for many years without anything to protect my head, but it seems pretty normal to have a cage during preproduction testing where you’re pushing the vehicle to its limits.

 

[Jeeperob]

I think you'll be holding your breath on the powered soft top because it doesn't appear that the Bronco has one and the aftermarket offering for the Jeep looks hideous. The lack of a B pillar from an off-road standpoint concerns me. It obviously concerns the Ford safety team as well since many of the videos that have been shown of the testing shows an interior cage behind the driver which includes a B pillar, despite their claims of not needing one. It may very well be safe but the Bronco engineers couldn't convince their safety persons that it was safe enough.

Who really knows. Not sure if or when the Bronco will go for North American crash testing. But I do know the Wrangler has never done it (as far as I know)...hence all the attention a few months ago when it went through European crash tests and didn't do so well.

Again, this vehicle isn't even out yet and there's limited details we know. Until it's actually released and/or released to the press everything is just everyone's opinions.

And to say Ford quality is bad, whatever, all cars/trucks have issues just who do you favour. I have a GT350, zero problems, brother has an F150, zero problems, parents have a 6 year old Edge, zero problems. I also have a 2019 VW Golf R, within 2 weeks, I was at the dealer getting the "oh shit" handle fixed. Also, had a 1998 Contour, only issues I ever had with that is rusted rocker panels (after 14 years) and constant warped rotors (prolly my fault cause I kept buying 3rd tier, cheap rotors).

As to the amount of abuse it can take, dunno, but if a Jeep's clearcoat hits the wall, it's going to do no better than a Bronco. And when I was building my Rubicon I came across numerous threads about how the Jeep metal bumper (rear) is just garbage, and not to get this option. I still got the option because the front bumper just matches to personality of a Rubicon imo. and if required can get an aftermarket rear.

I am aware this is a Wrangler forum, and of course there's a bias towards the Wrangler and I'd be surprised if there wasn't. But I'm literally 50/50 on what the Rubicon/Bronco decision. When I post here I post to help others who are in the same mindset. I love my GT350 so sometimes I may veer to the Ford camp, please forgive me. lol

 

[Jeeperob]

Wranglers have one key advantage over most other vehicles: if you damage a fender, repairing it is pretty easy. You can cut them up, or remove them, or replace them with a variety of aftermarket options.

This Bronco uses regular body panels for fenders. You damage one, and you either pay up a body shop to fix it, or drive around in a dented car that looks like a 30-year old jalopy.

What now? Those Bronco flares from the videos I've seen can be removed and replaced in about 5 minutes. Literally little twist locks hold them on. Unless you're referring to the quarter panels themselves?

R

 

[aldo98229]

What now? Those Bronco flares from the videos I've seen can be removed and replaced in about 5 minutes. Literally little twist locks hold them on. Unless you're referring to the quarter panels themselves?

R

Yes, I am talking about the entire fender panel.

Those tiny flares look too small and flimsy to protect against much.

And if they can be removed in five minutes, chances are they will come off on the trail.

 

[imjester77]

Just like Toyota 4Runner/Tacoma and Wrangler, there will be plenty of aftermarket parts to accommodate fenders and bumpers as well as lift kits. but my original statement still stands, that we wont know until we finally see the side by side vs Jeep. Until that happens I reserve any opinions about quality or power, or off-road capabilities. I do know that Independent suspension trucks Never do as well in articulation challenges as solid axles. But that is a Niche item and there are other areas to judge that solid axles door VERY poorly in, like driving straight...LOL! J/K

 

[zrickety]

I have the aftermarket one for the Jeep and it’s beautiful

That's not bad, but I see you still use your hands...

 

[Jeeperob]

Yes, I am talking about the entire fender panel.

Those tiny flares look too small and flimsy to protect against much.

And if they can be removed in five minutes, chances are they will come off on the trail.

Hmm...I did read something interesting last week (forgive me as I can't find it right now), but I'm pretty sure I read that the entire quarter panel can be replaced with relative ease. So there should be plenty of options for the plastic flares and the quarters themselves, or replacements for both. But like others have said, we wont know this until we see it.

 

[Black Jeep Convertible]

That's not bad, but I see you still use your hands...

Same with my previous 2 generation Mustangs. It literally takes me 10 seconds now, with a second for each latch and 8 seconds for the top to fold all the way down.

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