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With the Bronco launch, what team are you in?

  • I will stay with team Jeep

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  • I am staying out of this one for now. (in Eric Cartman’s voice): Screw you guys, I am going home.

    Votes: 113 9.4%
  • Is “both” an option because I am loaded and can afford both?

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It means that the bronco will have 3 times the potential leak points, all to make an easy task even easier.
Removing the entire hardtop of a 4-door by yourself is not an easy task. You may be much stronger than me, but doing it by myself is incredibly difficult. I've done it a couple times and nearly injured myself badly once, so I prefer having someone else to at least spot me and lend a hand. And putting it back on by myself is impossible; I'm not sure I know anybody who can put a 4-door hardtop back on entirely by themselves, no matter how strong they are.
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It means that the bronco will have 3 times the potential leak points, all to make an easy task even easier.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the total weight of the Bronco hardtop is heavier than the Wrangler’s because of the additional joints/seals/hardware
 

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I do wonder what this means


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• Ford Performance by WARN® winch
• Ford Performance modular front bumper
• Ford Performance tube doors
• Ford Performance by RIGID® off-road lightbar
• Ford Performance by RIGID off-road pod lights • Yakima® LockNLoadTM Platform roof rack
• Ford Performance recovery boards
• Ford Performance by WARN recovery kit
• Rear swing-gate-mounted table
• Spare parts and fluids by Motorcraft®

Very interesting. I wonder if the Warn winch by Ford Performance will be the 10s or the evo, and will it be cheaper than buying warn aftermarket???
It appears to be a means to do a couple of things but I think that chief among them is this:

“LEASE INFO (ACCESSORIES)
• Leased Broncos and Bronco Sports can pick up accessories on a residual basis, so lessees will pay a small amount up front for add-ons and then just return them with the vehicle at the end of the lease.”

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...-badlands-trail-rig-accessories-concept.3822/


Does Jeep/FCA do something like this Now or is this a new idea?
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the total weight of the Bronco hardtop is heavier than the Wrangler’s because of the additional joints/seals/hardware
I highly doubt it. You think a couple more rubber gaskets are gonna add any meaningful weight? If any, as you say, it would be through "hardware," though I'm struggling to think of what more they would need aside from some bolts here and there.

Just imagine a JL/JLU hardtop in 6 pieces instead of 3, that's all this is. It will have the 2 front "freedom panels" just like we know, but then the back windows will be removable just like a JL with the Sky One Touch, and the massive slab of hardtop itself will be divided in 2 (as far as I know, I could be wrong on that point. Maybe the 6th panel is the rear window?).
 

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I just think the complacency and excuses that Jeep fans have for Jeep is absolutely insane. Competition is good, and admitting that the Bronco is better than the Jeep in many ways from an objective standpoint is the first step that Jeep has to take to improve. Is the Bronco perfect? Hell no. Is the bronco more capable than the wrangler off road? That’s a matter of opinion, and also what you define as “off-road”. But Ford’s trim level, pricing, standard equipment, and options completely blow Jeep out of the water. That should be welcomed by Jeep enthusiasts because Jeep is basically going to need to go back to the drawing board to compete. Jeep has used the same basic formula for almost 20 years and ford took that formula and threw it in the garbage. That is a good thing for all off-road enthusiasts.
Where are the excuses and complacency you speak of from Jeep guys? Serious question as it's always brought up. There's plenty of Jeep ripping on this forum for it's issues and Jeeps complacency has been complained about long before the JL ever came out. People have long begged for better gearing options, a lift from factory, factory half doors, a V8, etc. In fact I've seen nothing but praise that competition is coming to make the Wrangler better.

If the big argument for Ford is standard options than honestly I think that's pretty weak. Saying Jeep will have to go to "drawing board" over standard options is laughable. It will be so easy for Jeep to change around it's standard options that I wouldn't be surprised if the 2022 MY is matched to the Bronco and has a similar Sasquatch option to boot. Jeeps ease of modification is a serious advantage both from the factory and outside it.

I do agree the standard options and trim levels are better on the Bronco. I just think you're just overstating it's importance when all Jeep has to do is some shuffling around to counter that.
 

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Removing the entire hardtop of a 4-door by yourself is not an easy task. You may be much stronger than me, but doing it by myself is incredibly difficult. I've done it a couple times and nearly injured myself badly once, so I prefer having someone else to at least spot me and lend a hand. And putting it back on by myself is impossible; I'm not sure I know anybody who can put a 4-door hardtop back on entirely by themselves, no matter how strong they are.
Didn't mean doing it solo. It's very easy with 2 average people. If a 2nd set of hands isn't an option, there are too many ceiling mounted or roll around devices to make use of.

I don't see any thought to longevity in their roof design. First off, they turned it into a jigsaw puzzle with a hundred feet of weatherstripping. Then, they remove the main cross bar that would've helped to support it.

My wife is interested in a well optioned 2 door Badlands. Fortunately, those don't have enough real estate to be concerned about the hardtop.
 

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It means that the bronco will have 3 times the potential leak points, all to make an easy task even easier.
I highly doubt it. You think a couple more rubber gaskets are gonna add any meaningful weight? If any, as you say, it would be through "hardware," though I'm struggling to think of what more they would need aside from some bolts here and there.

Just imagine a JL/JLU hardtop in 6 pieces instead of 3, that's all this is. It will have the 2 front "freedom panels" just like we know, but then the back windows will be removable just like a JL with the Sky One Touch, and the massive slab of hardtop itself will be divided in 2 (as far as I know, I could be wrong on that point. Maybe the 6th panel is the rear window?).
when I first looked at the Bronco, I thought “oh, they are trying to emulate a Jeep. Cool.’

but the more that I look at it the more that I see what Ford is trying to do, IMO. Namely, their market research (probably a series of focus groups with Jeep customers) may well have pointed to certain “opportunities” to Improve elements of a Jeep. This might be one of those cases.

While it’s true that removing a Jeep hardtop is an easy task IF you have something like a private suburban garage and a pulley system hooked to a rafter, it’s really not easy when you don’t. Not only is it troublesome to remove with one person, once you get it removed, there is no place to store it If you live in a flat in the city or suburbs. This modular system may improve that experience for Bronco buyers.
 

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I wouldn’t be surprised if the total weight of the Bronco hardtop is heavier than the Wrangler’s because of the additional joints/seals/hardware
For the sake of future hardtop bronco owners, I hope so. It won't be leaps and bounds heavier, but a total weight difference would be felt between the 2 vehicles. The separate panels would reach require added material and profile, to add rigidity and to provide a solid support for its mated panel. They removed the roofs crossbar, so that loss of weight carrying and wind buffering support would need to be picked up by the panels themselves. Again, it probably won't be a huge weight difference but it will certainly be a felt one.
 

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when I first looked at the Bronco, I thought “oh, they are trying to emulate a Jeep. Cool.’

but the more that I look at it the more that I see what Ford is trying to do, IMO. Namely, their market research (probably a series of focus groups with Jeep customers) may well have pointed to certain “opportunities” to Improve elements of a Jeep. This might be one of those cases.

While it’s true that removing a Jeep hardtop is an easy task IF you have something like a private suburban garage and a pulley system hooked to a rafter, it’s really not easy when you don’t. Not only is it troublesome to remove with one person, once you get it removed, there is no place to store it If you live in a flat in the city or suburbs. This modular system may improve that experience for Bronco buyers.
The one main thing that Jeep has refused to change over the years, is its willingness to sacrifice so much as an ounce of off road capability for the sake of on road comfort. At the same time, on road comfort has been a very close secondary priority made obvious by its big changes on the last 2 generations.

Bronco was designed to answer the call of that large consumer segment that wants a rugged vehicle that doesn't drive like one. A very smart move of Ford to not go directly head on to the Wrangler, but to rather shoot for what's in its immediate wake. A lot of much easier and lower hanging fruit to be had, without all the risks involved with fighting for the top branch.

If Jeep were to go for a more road minded reinvention, it wouldn't take long for the brand to make the same list as the new defender and any hummer after the military H1. Bronco, on the other hand, can get away with their choice to not sacrifice any on road comfort for the sake of off road capability.

I may own a Jeep and live my Rubi, but I will still applaud both makers just the same. I hope the Broncos prove to be great vehicles. My wife wants a 2 door Badlands, which would make for an awesome combo in the driveway and on the trails.
 

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With all the excitement around the BRONCO when and what could we see JEEP do to steal some momentum back in the Immediate future? Besides the V8 "Concept"
Mirrors on the frame, oh and make them removable too, if needed. I know I have heard some people on this forum don't like the mirrors when they off road, they may get knocked off by a whipping tree branch. I'm sure there are many other needs, different engines, etc.... but that's out of my knowledge range (love my V-6)
 

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Oh, and Driver seats that can be adjustable for TALL people......
 

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Didn't mean doing it solo. It's very easy with 2 average people. If a 2nd set of hands isn't an option, there are too many ceiling mounted or roll around devices to make use of.

I don't see any thought to longevity in their roof design. First off, they turned it into a jigsaw puzzle with a hundred feet of weatherstripping. Then, they remove the main cross bar that would've helped to support it.

My wife is interested in a well optioned 2 door Badlands. Fortunately, those don't have enough real estate to be concerned about the hardtop.
Yea, if I get one I'd be getting a 2-door, so some of this is moot.

I don't have a hoist or anything for my hardtop, so once it goes on the winters it stays on until the spring. I used to take it off by myself when I first bought it and soft tops were near-impossible to find. It is very easy with 2 people, but my wife was pregnant at the time so it was usually just me.

This modular system may improve that experience for Bronco buyers.
Yea, I think that's the bottom line. Even if the entire hardtop overall ends up being a smidge heavier, the individual pieces will be much more manageable for the average joe by himself, and that seems to be the whole point.
 

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I believe Jeep doesn’t have to respond to the Bronco. The Wrangler has proven itself many times over. I do believe that Jeep needs to keep improving in order to produce the best product possible. In my opinion, I believe it’s the Bronco that has to prove it can stand with the Wrangler. I’ve never been one to allow hype to dictate how I feel about something. Only time will tell if the Bronco will be a formidable competitor. Just my take.
improving is a form of response is it not?
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