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Ratbert · May 28, 2022

InVinoVeritasty said:
Very interesting stats. Curious if you know if percentage of v6 builds changed when etorque became mandatory with AT. In other words, v6 build percentage up or down since 2021 model year? I know non-etorque was/is still paired with manual transmission, but stat would still be interesting to me. Thank you.

I'm not absolutely positive that I understand what you're asking, especially since I don't have details associated with 2021 models, but I can give some details associated with the two 3.6L engines:

Instances of 3.6L V6 24V VVT eTorque Engine Upg I over time:

day	build sheets	window stickers	in progress
2022-03-19	7,873	6,865	1,008
2022-03-20	198	172	1,034
2022-03-21	254	210	1,078
2022-03-22	211	151	1,138
2022-03-23	431	3	1,566
2022-03-24	18	0	1,584
2022-03-25	245	0	1,829
2022-03-26	0	380	1,449
2022-03-27	4	833	620
2022-03-28	330	266	684
2022-03-29	275	250	709
2022-03-30	212	182	739
2022-03-31	49	77	711
2022-04-01	187	264	634
2022-04-02	2	74	562
2022-04-03	0	47	515
2022-04-04	219	187	547
2022-04-05	132	35	644
2022-04-06	148	64	728
2022-04-07	178	106	800
2022-04-08	197	125	872
2022-04-10	431	376	927
2022-04-11	1	0	928
2022-04-12	116	156	888
2022-04-13	181	44	1,025
2022-04-14	417	474	968
2022-04-15	150	140	978
2022-04-16	176	242	912
2022-04-17	0	49	863
2022-04-18	125	29	959
2022-04-19	143	155	947
2022-04-20	0	8	939
2022-04-21	233	261	911
2022-04-22	103	88	926
2022-04-23	55	104	877
2022-04-24	45	127	795
2022-04-25	140	76	859
2022-04-26	316	210	965
2022-04-27	226	150	1,041
2022-04-28	325	294	1,072
2022-04-29	128	99	1,101
2022-04-30	112	195	1,018
2022-05-01	44	64	998
2022-05-02	387	65	1,320
2022-05-03	247	268	1,299
2022-05-04	275	366	1,208
2022-05-05	58	46	1,220
2022-05-06	207	152	1,275
2022-05-07	6	77	1,204
2022-05-08	81	95	1,190
2022-05-09	262	307	1,145
2022-05-10	224	194	1,175
2022-05-11	342	223	1,294
2022-05-12	15	49	1,260
2022-05-13	188	359	1,089
2022-05-14	4	78	1,015
2022-05-15	13	58	970
2022-05-16	333	191	1,112
2022-05-17	157	134	1,135
2022-05-18	257	282	1,110
2022-05-19	0	0	1,110
2022-05-20	0	0	1,110
2022-05-21	148	259	999
2022-05-22	282	291	990
2022-05-23	322	137	1,175
2022-05-24	161	169	1,167
2022-05-25	231	210	1,188
2022-05-26	145	187	1,146
2022-05-27	85	152	1,079
total	19,060	17,981

Instances of 3.6L V6 24V VVT Engine Upg I w/ESS over time:

day	build sheets	window stickers	in progress
2022-03-19	10,216	9,568	648
2022-03-20	197	129	716
2022-03-21	274	216	774
2022-03-22	267	215	826
2022-03-23	499	6	1,319
2022-03-24	17	0	1,336
2022-03-25	222	0	1,558
2022-03-26	0	334	1,224
2022-03-27	6	845	385
2022-03-28	275	298	362
2022-03-29	277	265	374
2022-03-30	303	213	464
2022-03-31	151	144	471
2022-04-01	531	513	489
2022-04-02	6	155	340
2022-04-03	0	61	279
2022-04-04	566	420	425
2022-04-05	275	105	595
2022-04-06	277	187	685
2022-04-07	174	230	629
2022-04-08	221	269	581
2022-04-10	445	541	485
2022-04-11	0	2	483
2022-04-12	96	197	382
2022-04-13	173	48	507
2022-04-14	351	467	391
2022-04-15	60	96	355
2022-04-16	66	192	229
2022-04-17	0	22	207
2022-04-18	193	15	385
2022-04-19	190	153	422
2022-04-20	0	9	413
2022-04-21	113	302	224
2022-04-22	57	64	217
2022-04-23	42	67	192
2022-04-24	25	58	159
2022-04-25	72	55	176
2022-04-26	158	114	220
2022-04-27	95	56	259
2022-04-28	183	142	300
2022-04-29	73	76	297
2022-04-30	81	130	248
2022-05-01	35	37	246
2022-05-02	256	66	436
2022-05-03	227	169	494
2022-05-04	533	364	663
2022-05-05	75	45	693
2022-05-06	372	277	788
2022-05-07	3	98	693
2022-05-08	172	192	673
2022-05-09	456	579	550
2022-05-10	409	314	645
2022-05-11	461	273	833
2022-05-12	25	38	820
2022-05-13	232	461	591
2022-05-14	7	75	523
2022-05-15	35	69	489
2022-05-16	497	314	672
2022-05-17	242	186	728
2022-05-18	316	330	714
2022-05-19	0	0	714
2022-05-20	0	0	714
2022-05-21	80	182	612
2022-05-22	96	194	514
2022-05-23	127	81	560
2022-05-24	105	80	585
2022-05-25	145	133	597
2022-05-26	85	114	568
2022-05-27	52	109	511
total	22,270	21,759

Ratbert · May 28, 2022

jeninchicago said:
Any insights or predictions on when my January order might be built? Specs in signature…..

If you take every line item from your POC and put those in a single line that's separated by commas I should be able to give you some feel for how many identical builds have received their build sheets and when they were built (if they've made it that far). I would, however, have to leave any predictions up to you.

HighTide · May 28, 2022

Ratbert said:
I don't have code to format those, so I'll just do screen prints.

High Tide colors:

Beach Edition colors:

You may not have insight into this, but Jeep said "the Jeep brand will build the first 500 High Tide vehicles as exclusive Jeep Beach models."

By my math, I only see 277 Beach Editions and ~1500 High Tides. Where are the other 223 Beach Editions?

Ratbert · May 28, 2022

HighTide said:
You may not have insight into this, but Jeep said "the Jeep brand will build the first 500 High Tide vehicles as exclusive Jeep Beach models."

By my math, I only see 277 Beach Editions and ~1500 High Tides. Where are the other 223 Beach Editions?

I have no way of knowing what's coming down the pike until it gets a build sheet. I would speculate that they haven't made it that far in the process yet.

bjm00se · May 28, 2022

Ratbert said:
If you take every line item from your POC and put those in a single line that's separated by commas I should be able to give you some feel for how many identical builds have received their build sheets and when they were built (if they've made it that far). I would, however, have to leave any predictions up to you.

That would be interesting.

So, like this?

JLJS74,23R,ERC,DEM,PBJ,APA,*D5,-X9,XDB,XC3,LFR,HT1,GMA,CHD,AD6,ADH,ADE,XNY,5N6,4EA,171,YGN,L62

Last four are might be best to omit:
sold vehicle, zone code, 4 gal of gas, and some California thing

Ideally, paint codes (PBJ and APA on mine, above) would be better to exclude if possible since paint color’s probably not that a big factor in build availability.

Ratbert · May 29, 2022

bjm00se said:
That would be interesting.

So, like this?

JLJS74,23R,ERC,DEM,PBJ,APA,*D5,-X9,XDB,XC3,LFR,HT1,GMA,CHD,AD6,ADH,ADE,XNY,5N6,4EA,171,YGN,L62

Last four are might be best to omit:
sold vehicle, zone code, 4 gal of gas, and some California thing

Ideally, paint codes (PBJ and APA on mine, above) would be better to exclude if possible since paint color’s probably not that a big factor in build availability.

The textual part of it instead of codes. None of those codes are on the build sheet.

bjm00se · May 29, 2022

oops ?

Ratbert · May 29, 2022

It looks like mine is a pretty damn rare combination. The last to get a build sheet and last to get a window sticker on this list. If I include Granite Crystal Met. Clear Coat it's one of a kind.

Instances of 3.0L V6 Turbo Diesel Engine w/ESS G3, Advanced Safety Group, Body Color Rubicon Highline Flare, Cold Weather Group, Corning Gorilla(R) Glass, Customer Preferred Package 26R, Integrated Off-Road Camera, LED Lighting Group, MOPAR Stainless Door Sill Guards, Safety Group, Sky One-Touch Power Top, AND Trailer Tow and HD Electrical Group over time:

day	build sheets	window stickers	in progress
2022-03-19	7	6	1
2022-03-20	0	1	0
2022-03-21	0	0	0
2022-03-22	1	0	1
2022-03-23	0	0	1
2022-03-24	0	0	1
2022-03-25	0	0	1
2022-03-26	0	1	0
2022-03-27	0	0	0
2022-03-28	0	0	0
2022-03-29	2	0	2
2022-03-30	0	0	2
2022-03-31	0	0	2
2022-04-01	0	2	0
2022-04-02	0	0	0
2022-04-03	0	0	0
2022-04-04	0	0	0
2022-04-05	0	0	0
2022-04-06	0	0	0
2022-04-07	0	0	0
2022-04-08	0	0	0
2022-04-10	0	0	0
2022-04-11	0	0	0
2022-04-12	0	0	0
2022-04-13	0	0	0
2022-04-14	0	0	0
2022-04-15	0	0	0
2022-04-16	0	0	0
2022-04-17	0	0	0
2022-04-18	0	0	0
2022-04-19	0	0	0
2022-04-20	0	0	0
2022-04-21	0	0	0
2022-04-22	0	0	0
2022-04-23	0	0	0
2022-04-24	0	0	0
2022-04-25	0	0	0
2022-04-26	0	0	0
2022-04-27	0	0	0
2022-04-28	0	0	0
2022-04-29	0	0	0
2022-04-30	0	0	0
2022-05-01	0	0	0
2022-05-02	0	0	0
2022-05-03	0	0	0
2022-05-04	0	0	0
2022-05-05	0	0	0
2022-05-06	0	0	0
2022-05-07	0	0	0
2022-05-08	0	0	0
2022-05-09	0	0	0
2022-05-10	0	0	0
2022-05-11	1	0	1
2022-05-12	0	0	1
2022-05-13	0	0	1
2022-05-14	0	1	0
2022-05-15	0	0	0
2022-05-16	1	0	1
2022-05-17	1	0	2
2022-05-18	0	1	1
total	13	12

KnightWrangler22 · May 29, 2022

Hey man, order date 3/23/22, JLUR with premium soft top, scheduled 5/6/22 built not in production yet. Can you tell if any with premium soft tops have been built?

bjm00se · May 30, 2022

Ratbert said:
It looks like mine is a pretty damn rare combination. The last to get a build sheet and last to get a window sticker on this list. If I include Granite Crystal Met. Clear Coat it's one of a kind.

Here's mine:
JLJS74 WRANGLER UNLIMITED RUBICON, Customer Preferred Package 23R,V6 24V VVT Engine Upg I w/ESS, 6-Speed Manual Transmission, Hydro Blue Pearl Coat, Prem Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats,
MOPAR Hinge-Gate Reinforcement,MOPAR Grab Handle Kit,Mopar Doors Off Mirror Kit,Black 3-Piece Hard Top,Corning Gorilla(R) Glass,MOPAR Hardtop Headliner,LED Lighting Group,Trailer Tow and HD Electrical Group,Cold Weather Group,Integrated Off-Road Camera

Given the benefit of hindsight, I'd have left off all the things on that list are easy to add later,
hinge gate reinforcement, grab handles, doors off mirrors, headliner, and yeah, gorilla glass.

Think if I did, I'd have a Jeep by now?

JLJS74 WRANGLER UNLIMITED RUBICON, Customer Preferred Package 23R,V6 24V VVT Engine Upg I w/ESS, 6-Speed Manual Transmission, Hydro Blue Pearl Coat, Prem Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats,
Black 3-Piece Hard Top,LED Lighting Group,Trailer Tow and HD Electrical Group,Cold Weather Group,Integrated Off-Road Camera

BrokenDana35 · May 30, 2022

bjm00se said:
Here's mine:
JLJS74 WRANGLER UNLIMITED RUBICON, Customer Preferred Package 23R,V6 24V VVT Engine Upg I w/ESS, 6-Speed Manual Transmission, Hydro Blue Pearl Coat, Prem Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats,
MOPAR Hinge-Gate Reinforcement,MOPAR Grab Handle Kit,Mopar Doors Off Mirror Kit,Black 3-Piece Hard Top,Corning Gorilla(R) Glass,MOPAR Hardtop Headliner,LED Lighting Group,Trailer Tow and HD Electrical Group,Cold Weather Group,Integrated Off-Road Camera

Given the benefit of hindsight, I'd have left off all the things on that list are easy to add later,
hinge gate reinforcement, grab handles, doors off mirrors, headliner, and yeah, gorilla glass.

Think if I did, I'd have a Jeep by now?

JLJS74 WRANGLER UNLIMITED RUBICON, Customer Preferred Package 23R,V6 24V VVT Engine Upg I w/ESS, 6-Speed Manual Transmission, Hydro Blue Pearl Coat, Prem Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats,
Black 3-Piece Hard Top,LED Lighting Group,Trailer Tow and HD Electrical Group,Cold Weather Group,Integrated Off-Road Camera

You have nice taste! I have a nearly identical order (see below). The only unique options in comparison to yours are in bold. I was guessing the 4.88’s were holding me up but that may not be the case. When is your order date?

JLJS74 WRANGLER UNLIMITED RUBICON, Customer Preferred Package 23R,V6 24V VVT Engine Upg I w/ESS, 6-Speed Manual Transmission, Hydro Blue Pearl Coat, Prem Cloth Low-Back Bucket Seats, MOPAR Hinge-Gate Reinforcement, Mopar Doors Off Mirror Kit, 4.88 Rear Axle Ratio, MOPAR All-Weather Floor Mats, Steel Bumper Group, Dual Top Group, LED Lighting Group,Trailer Tow and HD Electrical Group

bjm00se · May 30, 2022

BrokenDana35 said:
When is your order date?

12/6. You?

I note that I have, but you don't:
cold weather group,
integrated off road camera

I really do start to think it's these unique permutations of more distinctive options, and the availability of those specific parts on a day-to-day basis.

This week, they're out of off-road cameras.
Once those are in stock, then there's no hinge-gate reinforcements available.
After those come in, they're now short clutches for the 6sp manual.
Week after that, all the parts are available, but all the "Hydro Blue" paint booths are already allocated to other builds.

And so it goes.

You'd *hope* that when a specific needed combination of parts is available, that the oldest order that could be built using them gets the nod, but I don't think the scheduling algorithm works that way.

miweber929 · May 31, 2022

bjm00se said:
I really do start to think it's these unique permutations of more distinctive options, and the availability of those specific parts on a day-to-day basis.

This week, they're out of off-road cameras.
Once those are in stock, then there's no hinge-gate reinforcements available.
After those come in, they're now short clutches for the 6sp manual.
Week after that, all the parts are available, but all the "Hydro Blue" paint booths are already allocated to other builds.

And so it goes.

You'd *hope* that when a specific needed combination of parts is available, that the oldest order that could be built using them gets the nod, but I don't think the scheduling algorithm works that way.

Add one (well, two) more factor into that equation that I think we’ve seen is the biggest thing that holds up orders, where it’s going and how many other orders are going there, and you’re describing the mess perfectly.

So looking at your equation above, you have 100 possible boxes to grab from, but you only need 60 of those parts for any one build, but at any time any one (or more) of those boxes can be empty. So let’s add in the just-in-time product supply thing and you schedule builds with the promise that next Thursday your venders will deliver enough to fill 10 of the now empty boxes but come next week they only deliver 8 so those you thought you could do, you suddenly can’t. There’s your D1 to D (or even C) regress and why build/ship/arrival dayes are such a crap shoot.

Your “odds” of being built by hitting the right combination of filled boxes are huge. Now add having enough other units fitting the right combo to fill a delivery to a certain area via truck or train, think like hundreds or even thousands, it’s really crazy odds. If you build them in the order the order was taken I think you’d have even more “forgotten” or damaged Jeeps sitting in storage lots than we already have.

I think everyone can all agree, though, on your statement I bolded above: you’d think the age of an order would give it preference, but that does not seem to be a huge factor in things being built. That needs to be addressed.

eveg33 · May 31, 2022

Hey John - Can you run a report for instances of 2.0L builds with XR packages again? Curious if they’ve been building these as I have one with a build date of 6/3/22. Thank you!

Traveller128 · May 31, 2022

I'm surprised there haven't been more manual 2 doors.

Can you run Willys, Snazzberry, hardtop and 6 speed?

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