2024 JD Powers Reliability Study: Jeep Rated Average

[Terrymo]

These types of threads always feel like Jim Halpert vs Dwight Schrute from an episode of The Office

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[Ratbert]

This is a futile argument that i'm not going to waste much space on.

Your 17th post on the thread, yet you're not going to waste much space on the futile argument.

Interesting.

 

[Remorseless]

Nope. I said that if you want to know who builds a quality vehicle the IQS is the only game in town. I never said it was absolutely correct, I never said it was great. I only said it was the industry standard...and that's because it's the best we have.



Nope. I said that Jeep is not dependable because we already know it's not. The rankings back that up (they have been near or at the lower half of the IQS for as long as i've been looking at it)...but one doesn't even need to look at the rankings...especially if you are a member here or have any experience with the brand.

If you actually read my posts (you don't), you would remember that in my first post I said that I had typed up a wordy explanation of why you need to look at a brands HISTORY on the IQS and not just one year and then deleted it because I realized the thread wasn't about the IQS. This is because I recognize the inherent issues with the way JD Power does their rankings. One year tells us nothing. Just like a couple years ago when Hyundai and Kia topped the list - brand fanboys were marching their parade all over the internets...but both brands had been below average up to that point and since then they've just been average. The good brands maintain a history of top-half performances in the IQS.

This is a futile argument that i'm not going to waste much space on. You've already made clear where you stand and no one here is going to change that. Your mind is made up.

Man, such revisionism. I do actually read your drivel, sadly, but thanks for telling me what I do and don't do, I'm glad you know better than I do. But, if we wanna look at the history of the IQS, Jeep does hover around average. Here's all the IQS rankings for the JL production years:

2022 was Jeep's worst year, but still it was within roughly 10% of the average score.

ETA: just for the record, my position is that Jeep is fairly average in terms of build quality and dependability. Not the best, not the worst, and that I wouldn't (and didn't) hesitate to trust it enough to be a daily driver vehicle and do the things such a vehicle needs to do.

 

[TheRaven]

Man, such revisionism. I do actually read your drivel, sadly...

That's actually worse cause it means you don't comprehend what i'm saying. Its no surprise you think I keep changing what i'm saying when you never understood what I said to begin with.

Being average is not a good thing in a world where automobiles are becoming increasingly problematic across the board. Even the best automakers are having major issues now.

 

[yokramer]

That's actually worse cause it means you don't comprehend what i'm saying. Its no surprise you think I keep changing what i'm saying when you never understood what I said to begin with.

Being average is not a good thing in a world where automobiles are becoming increasingly problematic across the board. Even the best automakers are having major issues now.

So now ALL automakers are trash and unreliable so it makes Jeep at the average really BELOW average and not worth buying.

 

[Remorseless]

That's actually worse cause it means you don't comprehend what i'm saying. Its no surprise you think I keep changing what i'm saying when you never understood what I said to begin with.

Being average is not a good thing in a world where automobiles are becoming increasingly problematic across the board. Even the best automakers are having major issues now.

No, I comprehend just fine. It's just that when presented with evidence that contradict your assertions you make up wild claims about what you were actually saying being something different than what you wrote. It's a classic narcissistic personality disorder "I can't be wrong" move. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step.

I mean, you just spent how many pages going round and round with @grimmjeeper about how initial build quality means a lot for dependability only to suddenly dismiss it when the IQS reports you claim to follow don't actually align with your statements or what you claim they showed.

Regardless, the idea that an average quality modern vehicle is actually undependable or unreliable is laughable.

 

[TheRaven]

No, I comprehend just fine. It's just that when prevented with evidence that contradict your assertions you make up wild claims about what you were actually saying being something different than what you wrote. It's a classic narcissistic personality disorder "I can't be wrong" move. Acknowledging you have a problem is the first step.

There you go again with the "I can't be wrong" falsehoods. Disagreeing with you is not wrong, Rem.

I mean, you just spent how many pages going round and round with @grimmjeeper about how initial build quality means a lot for dependability only to suddenly dismiss it when the IQS reports you claim to follow don't actually align with your statements or what you claim they showed.

I never dismissed initial quality!!

Dude...you are incredible. Completely misunderstand what I say, put a bunch of words in my mouth, then say I can't admit when i'm wrong. Once again you are trying to get me to say that I was wrong about something I never said.

 

[Remorseless]

There you go again with the "I can't be wrong" falsehoods. Disagreeing with you is not wrong, Rem.



I never dismissed initial quality!!

Dude...you are incredible. Completely misunderstand what I say, put a bunch of words in my mouth, then say I can't admit when i'm wrong. Once again you are trying to get me to say that I was wrong about something I never said.

Never said disagreeing with me was wrong. I also didn't misunderstand what you said. We all read and comprehended it, but it just didn't jive with reality. For instance:

The rankings back that up (they have been near or at the lower half of the IQS for as long as i've been looking at it).

If you actually read my posts (you don't), you would remember that in my first post I said that I had typed up a wordy explanation of why you need to look at a brands HISTORY on the IQS and not just one year and then deleted it because I realized the thread wasn't about the IQS.

Here you say that Jeep is in the bottom half of the IQS rankings over time , which is not accurate, per the IQS reports for most years of the JL production, pretty solidly in the middle on average, and in several years in the top half of makes. Though I still would characterize it as solidly middle-of-the-pack.

Continuing, however, in the above you had stated the IQS rankings were important to track over years, clearly intending to show (hoping, perhaps?) that Jeep had low IQS because you view it as a vital dependability statistic based on your postings with Roy, and because you simply don't think Jeep can make a normal, dependable vehicle (conclusion arriving before data, gotta love it).

Being average is not a good thing in a world where automobiles are becoming increasingly problematic across the board. Even the best automakers are having major issues now.

But here, since the fact that Jeep didn't do as bad over the JL's lifespan in the IQS as you'd attested, you suddenly shift to "Well, average is actually bad", an abandonment of the lauding of the IQS because it does not reflect a poorly performing Jeep vehicle fleet.

It's OK to admit that Jeep doesn't do as bad in the IQS as you had assumed.

 

[yokramer]

Never said disagreeing with me was wrong. I also didn't misunderstand what you said. We all read and comprehended it, but it just didn't jive with reality. For instance:




Here you say that Jeep is in the bottom half of the IQS rankings over time , which is not accurate, per the IQS reports for most years of the JL production, pretty solidly in the middle on average, and in several years in the top half of makes. Though I still would characterize it as solidly middle-of-the-pack.

Continuing, however, in the above you had stated the IQS rankings were important to track over years, clearly intending to show (hoping, perhaps?) that Jeep had low IQS because you view it as a vital dependability statistic based on your postings with Roy, and because you simply don't think Jeep can make a normal, dependable vehicle (conclusion arriving before data, gotta love it).



But here, since the fact that Jeep didn't do as bad over the JL's lifespan in the IQS as you'd attested, you suddenly shift to "Well, average is actually bad", an abandonment of the lauding of the IQS because it does not reflect a poorly performing Jeep vehicle fleet.

It's OK to admit that Jeep doesn't do as bad in the IQS as you had assumed.

Woah hey now dont you go using his own words against him.

 

[Remorseless]

Woah hey now dont you go using his own words against him.

inb4strawman?

 

[yokramer]

inb4strawman?

 

[grimmjeeper]

Have fun with this one guys. I'm out.

 

[Remorseless]

Have fun with this one guys. I'm out.

You'll be back Roy. Everyone loves a good trainwreck.

 

[TheRaven]

Never said disagreeing with me was wrong. I also didn't misunderstand what you said. We all read and comprehended it, but it just didn't jive with reality. For instance:




Here you say that Jeep is in the bottom half of the IQS rankings over time , which is not accurate, per the IQS reports for most years of the JL production, pretty solidly in the middle on average, and in several years in the top half of makes. Though I still would characterize it as solidly middle-of-the-pack.

Continuing, however, in the above you had stated the IQS rankings were important to track over years, clearly intending to show (hoping, perhaps?) that Jeep had low IQS because you view it as a vital dependability statistic based on your postings with Roy, and because you simply don't think Jeep can make a normal, dependable vehicle (conclusion arriving before data, gotta love it).



But here, since the fact that Jeep didn't do as bad over the JL's lifespan in the IQS as you'd attested, you suddenly shift to "Well, average is actually bad", an abandonment of the lauding of the IQS because it does not reflect a poorly performing Jeep vehicle fleet.

It's OK to admit that Jeep doesn't do as bad in the IQS as you had assumed.

More putting words in my mouth. I've already re-stated what I said, multiple times. You keep trying to fabricate an argument where there just isn't one. I didn't "revise" what I said...you did. My point hasn't changed and won't.

I'm with Roy on this one...

 

[Remorseless]

More putting words in my mouth. I've already re-stated what I said, multiple times. You keep trying to fabricate an argument where there just isn't one. I didn't "revise" what I said...you did. My point hasn't changed and won't.

"Nobody puts my words in my mouth!" - Kevin

@Terrymo - need your point meme

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