WTF Jeep?

[HungryHound]

This is an interesting viewpoint, because there is a simultaneous thread on this forum where posters are espousing booby traps and physical mutilation for someone who opened an unlocked door and stole nothing. But someone who breaks some-else’s zip tie and uses their property without consent is at the same time praised. Forget the accuracy of the sign’s message - if something is zip tied shut, do you feel entitled to it? I don’t, as I respect OPP.

It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand.

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[HungryHound]

seems every post ends the same way! I think it’s time to push away the keyboard and and start worrying about what YOU do.

Just an FYI.... I have decided to champion getting this station opened-up by the city of Moab while I'm here these 2 weeks. I'm speaking with the owner of the property and a radio personality later today to get the ball rolling. Not sure how tough the city council is here, but I plan to push the whole "the energy to build and install this station has already been expended, now the 'free' solar charging station is abandoned because Jeep didn't get the final permit (aka pay that last tax bribe) completed" angle.

 

[Steve JLUR]

This is an interesting viewpoint, because there is a simultaneous thread on this forum where posters are espousing booby traps and physical mutilation for someone who opened an unlocked door and stole nothing. But someone who breaks some-else’s zip tie and uses their property without consent is at the same time praised. Forget the accuracy of the sign’s message - if something is zip tied shut, do you feel entitled to it? I don’t, as I respect OPP.

Too many avenues to take this argument, on both sides, so I will limit it to this one question: what if the zip tie and sign were some Yahoo‘s prank?

 

[csjlu]

It's a Jeep thing, you wouldn't understand.

I zip tie stuff down that I carry on my hitch receiver...please don't steal anything.

 

[BamaJeepTruck]

I zip tie stuff down that I carry on my hitch receiver...please don't steal anything.

I'm still wondering what he "stole" and who he "stole" it from?

 

[RubiJR]

I just saw a video of a guy in San Francisco ride a bicycle into a Walgreens and steal a bunch of Walgreens merchandise. Maybe we should fix that before this victimless permitting caused beaurocracy. Another example of Big business and government hassling the little guy. Or maybe we should all carry printed signs and zip ties for the OPs awesome idea of personal charging stations.

I need a nuclear reaction to generate the 1.21 gigawatts of electricity I need

 

[Echo4papa]

Nope. Doesn't fly.
It was accurately signed. It was out of order. Not for technical or mechanical reasons but for permit reasons which is nevertheless required for use. In addition the use of the device required the breaking of a lock. A zip tie. Granted it is not a particularly strong lock but it is nevertheless a restraint designed to prohibit use that must be broken. Just because someone can break it doesn't mean they should. I can break both a zip tie and a padlock. What's the difference between breaking a zip tie or a padlock besides the ease of doing so? Both are breaking into a restraint.

I say it's civil disobedience as its only restricted because the local government hasn't gotten its ass in gear to permit it. The owner and the user have no issues and the government is in the way. When people say they're fine with something, screw you government, we're doing it no matter what you say... thats civil disobedience.

Except it isn't government property and nothing there to suggest that it's the government "shutting it down" which is why I can't get on board with the civil disobedience angle. There is no political protest angle. If the end user isn't aware that the government is the one causing the issue, they just see an "out of order" sign and decide to try the charger anyway, then it's not civil disobedience. Everything else is just us reading into it based on additional information and aggrandizement.

*Side note... at least we both agree, it's definitely not theft! lol

 

[R00STER]

Girls, girls. You are all pretty.

Granted I'm new to the jeep world, but getting our backs bent over a questionable moral infraction doesn't seem to be a "Jeep Thing"

But this seems like a boss "Jeep Thing" to do

Just an FYI.... I have decided to champion getting this station opened-up by the city of Moab while I'm here these 2 weeks.

Kickass and stomp rocks HungryHound. If it gets your tip wet in the process all the better.

 

[Pig-Pen]

Too many avenues to take this argument, on both sides, so I will limit it to this one question: what if the zip tie and sign were some Yahoo‘s prank?

“What, do we become assholes or something?!”

 

[Echo4papa]

This is an interesting viewpoint, because there is a simultaneous thread on this forum where posters are espousing booby traps and physical mutilation for someone who opened an unlocked door and stole nothing. But someone who breaks some-else’s zip tie and uses their property without consent is at the same time praised. Forget the accuracy of the sign’s message - if something is zip tied shut, do you feel entitled to it? I don’t, as I respect OPP.

I think there's an obvious difference between personal private property and advertised corporate property available for public use (app showing the charger as available) but marked with suspect signage as "out of order".

 

[Echo4papa]

Girls, girls. You are all pretty.

Granted I'm new to the jeep world, but getting our backs bent over a questionable moral infraction doesn't seem to be a "Jeep Thing"

But this seems like a boss "Jeep Thing" to do


Kickass and stomp rocks HungryHound. If it gets your tip wet in the process all the better.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I work from home and silly (mostly) semantic arguments can help pass the time. I'd hope no one actually gets their "backs bent" over it though.

 

[OINC]

Technically, they're oil-burners now. The plug-in hybrids are the new coal rollers since that's where most of the electricity comes from in the US. ?

This is not even CLOSE to being true any more and hasn't been for a long time. Coal provides less power than renewables these days, and has been on a steep decline for the last decade.

In 2020:

Coal: 774bn kWh
Natural Gas: 1617bn kWh
Nuclear: 790bn kWh
Renewables: 792bn kWh
Petroleum and other sources: 36bn kWh

Source: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained...y-in-the-us-generation-capacity-and-sales.php

 

[JSFoster75]

This is not even CLOSE to being true any more and hasn't been for a long time. Coal provides less power than renewables these days, and has been on a steep decline for the last decade.

In 2020:

Coal: 774bn kWh
Natural Gas: 1617bn kWh
Nuclear: 790bn kWh
Renewables: 792bn kWh
Petroleum and other sources: 36bn kWh

Source: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained...y-in-the-us-generation-capacity-and-sales.php

Coal production is on the rise, at least it is in WV, TN, SWVA. They were almost shut down under Obummer, but under Trump they began to rebound which in turn rebuilt the economy around our area at least.

 

[Reinen]

Except it isn't government property and nothing there to suggest that it's the government "shutting it down" which is why I can't get on board with the civil disobedience angle. There is no political protest angle. If the end user isn't aware that the government is the one causing the issue, they just see an "out of order" sign and decide to try the charger anyway, then it's not civil disobedience. Everything else is just us reading into it based on additional information and aggrandizement.

*Side note... at least we both agree, it's definitely not theft! lol

Well, we're getting into a lot of murkiness here. I'm calling it civil disobedience because that is what it ultimately was, regardless of whether the end user knew it or not. But what the end user knew opens up another can of worms. The end user knew the charger was labeled "out of order" and its use was restrained with a zip tie. What if there really was a technical malfunction and the charger fried their battery? Would the owner of the charger be responsible? I would say no. I don't like laws designed to protect people from their own ignorance and hold a non-ignorant entity responsible. If the charger was unmarked it would be a different story but the charger was marked as not useable and using it required breaking a restraint, albeit a weak one. That is sufficient notice that the charger should not be used IMO.

 

[Bocephus]

Nah it’s more like violating a user agreement. Which if anyone cared A TON , (which they won’t), would be a civil issue not a criminal. Ask me how I know.

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