Wrangler Price Increase Coming?

[NWJeepr]

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[Jtphoto]

If you want to sanction these countries to clean up their drug enforcement I get it. But shouldn't the penalty be commensurate with the level of infraction?

Tell me, does the US border service not stop vehicles going across the border into the US???? Why are they not catching the drugs etc.
If the US expects Canada to stop drugs from going into their country should we not expect the US to stop drugs and millions of illegal firearms from coming into ours.

 

[Jtphoto]

To whoever mentioned that current vehicles on the lot would sell for the current MSRP.
That doesn’t seem to be happening at some dealers. The National news has reported price hikes in the neighborhood of $10-20k USD on trucks to counter possible future losses of the parts supply and auto industry shutting down.
What are you guys seeing in your areas.

 

[NewbieJon]

HELLO?

I only read 3 of seventeen pages, but I didn't see anyone comment that Jeep Wranglers are built in Toledo, Ohio, with mostly American made parts. One website I see indicates 74% American made parts. ( https://shunauto.com/article/are-jeep-wranglers-american-made )

Some Wrangler parts do come from Canada and Mexico, but it seems like the Wrangler may be less affected by tariffs than many other vehicle models.

A different website ranks the Wrangler as the model with the 30th highest American made parts percentage of all cars with American final assembly. The Gladiator is at #8 highest. The Wrangler 4xe is ranked at 57th highest. ( https://www.cars.com/articles/2024-...ndex-which-cars-are-the-most-american-484903/ )

FYI, Ford Bronco is ranked at #73. Toyota 4runner is not on the top 100 list.
Hondas (and Acuras), Toyotas (and Lexuses), and Teslas dominate the top 30 spots.

 

[Ratbert]

HELLO?

I only read 3 of seventeen pages, but I didn't see anyone comment that Jeep Wranglers are built in Toledo, Ohio, with mostly American made parts. One website I see indicates 74% American made parts. ( https://shunauto.com/article/are-jeep-wranglers-american-made )

Hopefully you don't believe everything you read. When I read your post I went to jeep.com, found the first Wrangler listed, and here's its window sticker. 64% of it is US / Canadian. No, not 74% American made. 18% from Mexico. I'm betting the other 18% is primarily from China.

https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C4RJXFN9RW364430

 

[NewbieJon]

Hopefully you don't believe everything you read. When I read your post I went to jeep.com, found the first Wrangler listed, and here's its window sticker. 64% of it is US / Canadian. No, not 74% American made. 18% from Mexico. I'm betting the other 18% is primarily from China.

https://www.jeep.com/hostd/windowsticker/getWindowStickerPdf.do?vin=1C4RJXFN9RW364430

Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't remember what my parts content was exactly, but 64% sounds about right.
Still, a Wrangler is about 2/3 American made, with 18% Mexico parts. Assuming a couple or few percent from Canada and China, that's still below 25% of parts subject to the new tariffs.
At bulk manufacturer prices, that will probably itself add maybe 2 or so of MSRP to the manufacturing cost.
This should only increase MSRP by maybe 3-4%. If they raised MSRP much more than 5%, they would be price gouging.

 

[Wbino]

I'm starting to see the error of my ways...

Thinking I should have this thread closed before y'all get banned and take me with y'all because I created this unsanctimonious mess!

Oh no you don't...Captain goes down with his ship.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't remember what my parts content was exactly, but 64% sounds about right.
Still, a Wrangler is about 2/3 American made, with 18% Mexico parts. Assuming a couple or few percent from Canada and China, that's still below 25% of parts subject to the new tariffs.
At bulk manufacturer prices, that will probably itself add maybe 2 or so of MSRP to the manufacturing cost.
This should only increase MSRP by maybe 3-4%. If they raised MSRP much more than 5%, they would be price gouging.

I would be apt to say they're playing numbers games. I haven't ran into a mopar brand part I had to order that hasn't had a made in China sticker yet.

Mopar brand parts I've ordered...
Mopar brand oil filter
Mopar brand oil filter cap
Mopar brand LSD additive
Mopar brand extended front lower control arm

Mopar brand parts I've done heavy research into...
Mopar brand halogen headlight assembly
Mopar brand oil cooler
Mopar brand EGR
Mopar brand front fenders
Mopar brand fender flares
Mopar brand Rubicon hood


All of the Mopar brand parts listed above are made in China. I don't know how far down the rabbit hole this goes, but I know there's a lot of confusion here in the United States when it comes to manufacturing versus assembly.

 

[cansberry]

Tell me, does the US border service not stop vehicles going across the border into the US???? Why are they not catching the drugs etc.
If the US expects Canada to stop drugs from going into their country should we not expect the US to stop drugs and millions of illegal firearms from coming into ours.

Are you saying the guns and drugs are going from the US into Canada, or vice versa?

As to OPs original question, prices are going to go up. A lot. On everything. This is essentially just an additional tax put on top of consumer goods, which given how the global economy works, all have some form of parts content or final assembly outside the country. Businesses aren't going to eat that expense, we are. And for those thinking businesses are going to magically reestablish factories here, no. That takes years and years and years to do. And given our political flip flopping, in which I'm sure the next Democratic admin will remove a lot of these roadblocks, they are more likely to hedge bets than spend that type of money. And that doesn't even get into the retaliatory tariffs. That alone incentivizes businesses to keep their operations away from here so they can continue to sell at volume everywhere else in the world.

The "wins" the administration is claiming right now, like new EV factories and electronic chip factories, are from Biden era policies that incentivized those companies to do that.

Long post short, nobody wants to play nice with someone who is not. And right now, the US is not nice in the international scene.

 

[Wbino]

The economic reality is if everything were made inthe USA it would be a shock to the system to consumers as a American wage would contribute to all costs.
Unless Wall Street and upper management are cut out of the equation prices will rise.
I'm all for Made In America but it will come with a hit and a reality check of where you stand in the world as far as your purchasing power.

 

[Bulletbill]

Thanks for the clarification. I couldn't remember what my parts content was exactly, but 64% sounds about right.
Still, a Wrangler is about 2/3 American made, with 18% Mexico parts. Assuming a couple or few percent from Canada and China, that's still below 25% of parts subject to the new tariffs.
At bulk manufacturer prices, that will probably itself add maybe 2 or so of MSRP to the manufacturing cost.
This should only increase MSRP by maybe 3-4%. If they raised MSRP much more than 5%, they would be price gouging.

You’re missing the US/Canada. That means that the breakdown is 64% made in the US and Canada. Which means we don’t know the actual breakdown of parts made in Canada other than it’s up to 64%. Those same parts might move multiple times back and forth across the border.

From NPR “the North American auto supply chain use the industry parlance, "highly integrated." That means factories in the U.S., Canada and Mexico ship components back and forth.” Every time they do, they will be subject to the tariff of each country. So if a part moves from Canada to the US it will have a 25% tariff, then as it goes back to Canada it will have a 25% tariff, then if it makes its way back to the US for use in the final assembly on a Jeep wrangler it will have another 25% tariff applied. If we’re keeping track that part now effectively has a 75% tariff applied.

But hey, I heard that tariff wars are easy to win and that they only hurt the countries we levy them against and those countries deserve them so what do I know…other than that it’s easy to see how the person who has applied this drove his companies to bankruptcy 6 times.

 

[autotragic]

Are you saying the guns and drugs are going from the US into Canada, or vice versa?

As to OPs original question, prices are going to go up. A lot. On everything. This is essentially just an additional tax put on top of consumer goods, which given how the global economy works, all have some form of parts content or final assembly outside the country. Businesses aren't going to eat that expense, we are. And for those thinking businesses are going to magically reestablish factories here, no. That takes years and years and years to do. And given our political flip flopping, in which I'm sure the next Democratic admin will remove a lot of these roadblocks, they are more likely to hedge bets than spend that type of money. And that doesn't even get into the retaliatory tariffs. That alone incentivizes businesses to keep their operations away from here so they can continue to sell at volume everywhere else in the world.

The "wins" the administration is claiming right now, like new EV factories and electronic chip factories, are from Biden era policies that incentivized those companies to do that.

Long post short, nobody wants to play nice with someone who is not. And right now, the US is not nice in the international scene.

If you want to know the God's honest truth I'd like to Glass about half the world. Ever since the end of world war II America has essentially cornered the market on security in the world. Sure there have been wars and people have died and lots of people have died for that matter but overall global security I mean at no other point in human history has the world been this stable overall I mean stable enough for this whole global economy nonsense to get started right.

We paid for all of that... Nobody else wants to pitch in why? Why should we be the responsible party every time why can't somebody else do something useful for once?

The British Navy used to be the most powerful navy in the world how come they've let themselves fall to the wayside and don't do anything useful anymore why aren't they patrolling off the coast of Africa or the South China Sea or any of that?

Oh sure they'll provide a token ship for a task force that we send but they won't send a flotilla and command the task force themselves.

Because they can't and you know why because they're lazy because America has been subsidizing the world's security for the last 80 years.

I'm tired boss I'm real tired.

 

[Bulletbill]

If you want to know the God's honest truth I'd like to Glass about half the world. Ever since the end of world war II America has essentially cornered the market on security in the world. Sure there have been wars and people have died and lots of people have died for that matter but overall global security I mean at no other point in human history has the world been this stable overall I mean stable enough for this whole global economy nonsense to get started right.

We paid for all of that... Nobody else wants to pitch in why? Why should we be the responsible party every time why can't somebody else do something useful for once?

The British Navy used to be the most powerful navy in the world how come they've let themselves fall to the wayside and don't do anything useful anymore why aren't they patrolling off the coast of Africa or the South China Sea or any of that?

Oh sure they'll provide a token ship for a task force that we send but they won't send a flotilla and command the task force themselves.

Because they can't and you know why because they're lazy because America has been subsidizing the world's security for the last 80 years.

I'm tired boss I'm real tired.

What are you tired about, the American people have no stake in their security. We were at war for 20 years, tell me how that affected any American outside of the military? You abdicated your safety and never looked back. More importantly for your information, I served multiple tours with our allies from all over the world over the last 20 years. Those soldiers risked their lives for the wars where our country had been attacked. So maybe stfu.

 

[autotragic]

What are you tired about, the American people have no stake in their security. We were at war for 20 years, tell me how that affected any American outside of the military? You abdicated your safety and never looked back. More importantly for your information, I served multiple tours with our allies from all over the world over the last 20 years. Those soldiers risked their lives for the wars where our country had been attacked. So maybe stfu.

So you think you're the only one here that was in the military and deployed overseas in the last 20 years really? My DD-214 is just as valid as yours.

I wasn't going to bring it up but since you felt the need here we are.

 

[Bulletbill]

So you think you're the only one here that was in the military and deployed overseas in the last 20 years really? My DD-214 is just as valid as yours.

I wasn't going to bring it up but since you felt the need here we are.

Obviously not, and your above comment cements that fact. The likely hood that you served in a combat environment over the last 50 years is highly unlikely, otherwise you wouldn’t be so cavalier when it comes to our allies.

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