When is the JL Facelift coming?

[Sparty]

Doubt it. The interior facelift was only done once within a Wrangler generation, the JK, because Fiat admitted it was garbage when they bought Chrysler.

This is incorrect. They did it with the TJ.

They changed the radio, seats, hazard button, mirrors, gas tank skid, and under door rusting. There may be more, but that's what I know off the top of my head.

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[sardog12]

Of course nothing comes free, so we would likely see an increase in price on our end.

That's the biggest issue. People want to make the LED lights or many of the other options standard but they balk at the idea that this may increase the price of the lower levels. The simple fact is if you increase the standards of the base, the price of the base will increase accordingly.

As for everyone dissatisfied that this edition is not being refreshed meaningfully or that it is "long in the tooth", imagine being a fan of the 4Runner. That thing desperately needs a refresh.

 

[DocC22]

That's the biggest issue. People want to make the LED lights or many of the other options standard but they balk at the idea that this may increase the price of the lower levels. The simple fact is if you increase the standards of the base, the price of the base will increase accordingly.

As for everyone dissatisfied that this edition is not being refreshed meaningfully or that it is "long in the tooth", imagine being a fan of the 4Runner. That thing desperately needs a refresh.

Agree, but they can't make 4Runners fast enough and are selling like crazy. It certainly needs refreshed, but why fix it if it isn't broke from a business standpoint? I know I'm biased, but if Hurricane isn't going to get much better mileage than 392, why not keep 392? It's bad ass and I think them getting rid of Hemis (on everything) is a huge mistake.

 

[tshaw2009]

That's the biggest issue. People want to make the LED lights or many of the other options standard but they balk at the idea that this may increase the price of the lower levels. The simple fact is if you increase the standards of the base, the price of the base will increase accordingly.

As for everyone dissatisfied that this edition is not being refreshed meaningfully or that it is "long in the tooth", imagine being a fan of the 4Runner. That thing desperately needs a refresh.

True. Both the 4Runner and the Tacoma are long overdue for a refresh. I just traded my 2019 Tacoma TRD OR 4x4 for my factory ordered 2023 Willys Sport 2-Door because of front suspension and differential issues that have been known as weak points since the 2nd Gens. That isn't even to mention that the Tacoma's powertrains are worse than gutless and the interiors could be considered as still living 10 years in the past. My Tacoma became a dog after lifting it.

 

[Coltron_Actual]

I agree it was very minor, but the TJ did get some updates mostly for the sake of appearance and all at once in 03, I would certainly consider it a minor refresh.

All the seats changed, the radio changed shape, meaning the dash also changed shape. The headlight switch moved to a stalk instead of dashboard mounted switch, the steering wheel changed, the interior colors and soft top colors changed, the hard top was redesigned to remove the vents on the C pillar, the tailgate was redesigned to add the vent, the 4 cylinder engine changed from the old 2.4 to the then newer 2.5 which I think was from the PT Cruiser.

These are just what I can think of off the top of my head. I had a 2002 I bought in 2005 so I remember trying to scout out the differences.

I do still agree not to expect much if anything for the JL. Maybe some added or removed features and options but probably nothing big.

Yeah they made it awful

My '99 seats are much more comfortable than my '06, although the newer seats do look nicer. The headlight switch is a massive POS. Famous for failing and turning the foglights on while the ignition is completely off and draining the battery. The steering wheels get tacky with age as well (unless you have leather wrapped one).

 

[Coltron_Actual]

True. Both the 4Runner and the Tacoma are long overdue for a refresh. I just traded my 2019 Tacoma TRD OR 4x4 for my factory ordered 2023 Willys Sport 2-Door because of front suspension and differential issues that have been known as weak points since the 2nd Gens. That isn't even to mention that the Tacoma's powertrains are worse than gutless and the interiors could be considered as still living 10 years in the past. My Tacoma became a dog after lifting it.

Same. The 3.6L is absolute crap in that truck. And no carplay until the 2021 I think??

 

[tshaw2009]

Same. The 3.6L is absolute crap in that truck. And no carplay until the 2021 I think??

That is correct. I did not have Android Auto or Apple Carplay in my 2019. Toyota didn't add that until 2021.

 

[Coltron_Actual]

That is correct. I did not have Android Auto or Apple Carplay in my 2019. Toyota didn't add that until 2021.

A Honda Goldwing had Carplay well before that.

 

[2nd 392]

Agree, but they can't make 4Runners fast enough and are selling like crazy. It certainly needs refreshed, but why fix it if it isn't broke from a business standpoint? I know I'm biased, but if Hurricane isn't going to get much better mileage than 392, why not keep 392? It's bad ass and I think them getting rid of Hemis (on everything) is a huge mistake.

A Whole 1 mpg on GW, there is a thread. With no Hemi Dodge gets the Mustang “Salesman of the year award “. My Wrangler is = too or better than the 4R it replaced (especially ride) with the exception of MPG ( but at 1/4 less mpg at almost 2 X the power I’ll take it) and likely reliability (4R’s first major problem, $1000 fuel pump at 220K mi) .Edit— at ~ 42K in 05 it was almost as expensive including inflation as my 77.6K 21 392 for what you get.

 

[Kuczy]

Agree, but they can't make 4Runners fast enough and are selling like crazy. It certainly needs refreshed, but why fix it if it isn't broke from a business standpoint? I know I'm biased, but if Hurricane isn't going to get much better mileage than 392, why not keep 392? It's bad ass and I think them getting rid of Hemis (on everything) is a huge mistake.

Because every little mpg helps. Just like Start Stop doesn’t help much but it all adds up to less fines for Stellantis.

 

[rcadden]

I know this will get poo-poo'd on this forum, because it's technology and technology is bad, but compared to its closest competitors (Bronco, 4runner, etc), the Wrangler model is woefully out of date.

Things that are standard or at least optional across the industry that the wrangler is missing that could be added without having to redesign the whole thing or compromising the "trail-rated" aspect of what makes a Jeep a Jeep:

• One-touch windows up
• Cooled seats
• wireless Android Auto/Carplay
• Automatic windshield wipers
• LED headlights as standard (still blows my mind that they're not on a $40K+ vehicle)
• Replace the "mute" button (which is actually a pause button) with something more useful
• Waterproof (and smaller) keyfob. Threedom and Rivian have both shown significantly better keyfob options are possible without changing the technology
• Include a winch plate in the "winch-ready" OEM steel bumper

Another more drastic thing that I don't [personally] think would really have a big negative impact (but I'm sure someone will come along to decry) would be to just curve the damn windshield. The # of people who lower it these days vs the # of people who have to replace the whole thing because a grain of salt hit it

 

[MesaAZGuy]

The new model will be available in the third quarter of 2024. It will include LED headlights, leather seats with reverse cooled suction to aerate bodily gases along with the benefit of drying out the seating surfaces when exposed to rain or other wet environments , cross wind correction and of course, the new synomotive electric 4x4 system which will come with a low center of gravity lithium battery system that will provide the vehicle with a total electric range of 190 miles in perfect laboratory tested climate conditions. It will be available with optional combustion engine soundtrack with four amplified undercarriage trail rated speakers. Additional options will include secondary front axle motor disconnect with added ESS battery tucked above lithium batteries. New technologies will include shear bolts to prevent unauthorised removal or tampering with factory components.
Pricing is to be announced fourth quarter of 2023 but we have a hint base models will start at 73k.
Thank you…
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[multicam]

I don't know about anyone else, but I think the JL is the best looking iteration of the Jeep Wrangler and I hope they keep the future changes to the interior alone rather than the exterior. I think we are in that sweet spot for great aesthetic appearance with practical size even in the 2-door, but think that Jeep should offer an option for vinyl floors and seats. Maybe they should make all Wranglers come standard with LEDs all around while making BSM and ACC standard. I personally thought the JK was beyond ugly inside and out so I can't complain about the JL hardly at all besides some small things. Just my $.02 for what it's worth.

You took the words right out of my mouth. The JK was ugly; the JL looks like they took the JK and actually finished designing it.

I wouldn’t expect major changes for a while.

If they released an extended-wheelbase 2-door (a lá the 2005-2006 Wrangler Unlimited) with the Hurricane (SO or HO, don’t care) and a STOUT manual transmission, AND offered it in Punk’N, I’d reserve one immediately and prep my current JLR for trade-in. Not holding my breath though.

(In this hypothetical multicam dream jeep the only two things I’d compromise on would be the color and extended wheelbase; a better engine and manual transmission are non-negotiable)

 

[Victory]

LED headlights as standard (still blows my mind that they're not on a $40K+ vehicle)

Keep adding things as standard and it will be $40k+

As mine on the way stickers about $32k I wouldn’t want to spend $8k more for LEDs

I do see what you’re saying, but I still like that options are options and not standard to keep pricing down. I think too much is already standard, I would have rather skipped a lot more my Jeep is coming with in order to get the lower price. That doesn’t mean the other things can’t be options if you want them, but the more standard features, the higher the price keeps going.

My wife has a nice loaded Highlander with lots of features and it is nice, though we have never used the Car Play because it has built in navigation.
I still think my Tacoma which was also PooPooed in this thread is pretty nice though too.

 

[Opus]

I know this will get poo-poo'd on this forum, because it's technology and technology is bad, but compared to its closest competitors (Bronco, 4runner, etc), the Wrangler model is woefully out of date.

Things that are standard or at least optional across the industry that the wrangler is missing that could be added without having to redesign the whole thing or compromising the "trail-rated" aspect of what makes a Jeep a Jeep:

• One-touch windows up
• Cooled seats
• wireless Android Auto/Carplay
• Automatic windshield wipers
• LED headlights as standard (still blows my mind that they're not on a $40K+ vehicle)
• Replace the "mute" button (which is actually a pause button) with something more useful
• Waterproof (and smaller) keyfob. Threedom and Rivian have both shown significantly better keyfob options are possible without changing the technology
• Include a winch plate in the "winch-ready" OEM steel bumper

Another more drastic thing that I don't [personally] think would really have a big negative impact (but I'm sure someone will come along to decry) would be to just curve the damn windshield. The # of people who lower it these days vs the # of people who have to replace the whole thing because a grain of salt hit it

Definitely miss the automatic wipers. It never occurred to me that they weren't standard equipment until after I bought the Wrangler and got it home. I assume it has to do with the windshield being able to be folded down. There, I like the option but agree only a small fraction of owners will ever do it. I probably never will. But if they're keeping the option, why are the tie-downs a separate expense? It's like equipping a Jeep with the sky one-touch then saying you have to buy a separate key to activate it.

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