Sunrider position pointless?

[Rahneld]

Who needs @Rahneld when I can argue with myself. To @Rahnelds previously stated point, no speed warning is needed if the instructions state to remove the windows. Maybe this NOTE in the JK manual wasn't included in the JL manual because the windows are supposed to be already removed.

I actually said no warning to remove the windows is needed if the instructions state to remove the windows, which they do.

I'm fine Jerry to equate your verbiage "speed warning" with "warning to remove the windows" if that's what you meant.

I'm not hear to pick pedantic fights, let alone off topic ones, just make sure I'm understood.
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[cjaama]

The point? Just backed out of the garage, unlocked the top and flipped back to sun rider position and took off. Total time spent was about 15 seconds. Awesome option!!

No shit. If you do it without removing the windows it's great and very quick. Re-read my original post and if you're looking to torture yourself read the subsequent 15 pages.
I created a monster.

 

[Trav.city]

No shit. If you do it without removing the windows it's great and very quick. Re-read my original post and if you're looking to torture yourself read the subsequent 15 pages.
I created a monster.

Lol, I read it again and deleted my original.

 

[jawest12]

@Rahneld this isn't a court room. Or a law class, no point in couching everything as if it is. So turn off lawyer mode. It is completely unnecessary in this forum.

I believe Jebiruph has hit the nail on the head, literary convenience. Most people here aren't wondering whether or not to take the windows out, due to whether or not they will have a court case. Or have a case brought against them for damage to another person or vehicle.

We just want to know if we are going to lose our windows going down the highway, if we leave them in while in Sunrider mode.

From a layman, not lawyer, non courtroom standpoint, the manual coupled with the supplement make it unclear. In my opinion, its a risk, the windows may came out. But probably find as long as you make sure they are seated properly. And I would thing below 40 or so, no need to worry about them either way.

 

[thundermuffin]

Can I not run sunrider mode if I haven’t gotten off-road pages yet?

 

[Bryce]

Can I not run sunrider mode if I haven’t gotten off-road pages yet?

Ok as long as you stay on pavement.

 

[cjaama]

Go ahead, it's your funeral.

 

[Jeep4Life0112]

For the past 4 weeks I have been flipping my JLUR soft top into sunrider position without removing my side/rear windows during my 1 hour commute home. Almost the entire drive is spent in the 55-60mph range. Only once did I experience a near side window blow out. It was a particularity windy day, and I noticed that my driver-side window had blown out the bottom seam that holds it in place. I threw on my hazards and pulled over. As I was slowing down the window had begun to come off completely. Luckily I was able to stop in time and reinstall the window. If I hadn't have originally noticed there is a high chance that the window would have blown off without me noticing. Just wanted to share this story because it seems relevant to this thread. Hopefully it helps someone out.

 

[cjaama]

Definitely relevant. I wish I could delete all the irrelevant posts in this thread.

 

[TaxPhan]

I came here just to check if there were any more melts. Yes. Yes there were. I'm not bored enough to investigate the thread, so can someone just summarize what the final conclusion was? I use sunrider position often, but I generally leave my windows out all the time anyway, for the pup.

 

[cjaama]

final conclusion

LOL

 

[BillG]

 

[OldGuyNewJeep]

You are more likely to lose a window by not installing it correctly than by utilizing sunrider.

After 18 months of people driving their JLs, how many window blow out stories have been posted to this forum? Less than a handful. I’ll bet every one of those, including the one above, are down to “installed but not quite right” or a defect. It’s not difficult to eff up installing these windows, even if you’ve done it a hundred times. Trade off for convenience... I’ll take it over zippers, thank you.

While in sunrider, look at your windows in your side mirror. They flex inward, opposite of what they do when top is closed. Perhaps that’s meaningless, but to me it seems logical that the pressure change is actually helping keep them in place when in sunrider.

Someone else already commented on how illogical it is to let the dinky latch in the back keep the top up without assistance from the side pillars.

Finally, it’s a completely useless feature with the windows out. Let’s use some common sense.

Dudes whining about law suits need to get a new hobby.

Enjoy your damn Jeeps, gentlemen.

 

[Rahneld]

@Rahneld this isn't a court room. Or a law class, no point in couching everything as if it is. So turn off lawyer mode. It is completely unnecessary in this forum.

@jawest12 I get that there's a lot to read to catch up here, but if you want to set someone straight you've got to read...it would have made this post of yours unnecessary. Every sentiment you say here I've already agreed with barring one: the likelihood of bad outcomes, which I think is less likely than you.

Had you read, and I can't imagine you did, you would have learned that I drive with my soft windows in frequently in Sunrider mode. I simply said, and two posters continued fighting that I was wrong, that FCA won't stand behind damage caused to or by your windows, however unlikely I am the first to concede that being when they're property installed, when the soft top's in Sunrider position, basing this on the owner's manual guidance legally prevailing: which instructs window removal in this situation.

Most people here aren't wondering whether or not to take the windows out, due to whether or not they will have a court case.

I wonder if you think I can't see the forest from the trees here. Of course I realize this. At best people want to know if it's safe, and if other people do it and think so.

For all intents as purposes, as to the prior sentence, practicing what I've preached and having said so already, "yes and yes."

Unfortunately two people on this thread all but claimed the window removal was wrong, or certainly not necessary. They were set straight that their guidance to the rest of the readers was wrong, not to make a point but to make sure readers don't walk away with wrong guidance.

We just want to know if we are going to lose our windows going down the highway, if we leave them in while in Sunrider mode.

I and my writing make it clear that I realize that, even as you speak for yourself, not the collective, likely haven't read in entirety here, and can't get in other people's heads. But I do agree that in my opinion your sentiments are shared by most to nearly all here and always have felt/known this. My writing implies, if not expressly says that, in repeated examples, where I say keeping the windows in is something I've done and likely to not be a big deal,

jawest12, when some poster says "it's not only safe to leave them in, it's right," and I reply, "while it's likely safe, law defers to the owner's manual which says remove them," and they don't listen to reason, the novice is not informed as to where their risks, albeit small, lie: with them, not mother FCA , if soft "windows in," in Sunrider mode, goes "sideways."

From a layman, not lawyer, non courtroom standpoint, the manual coupled with the supplement make it unclear.

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Absolutely. I never suggested otherwise--in fact I've said this long before you. I've fully acknowledged (please, go read before posting) this. I've said that the glove box supplement says one thing and the owner's manual another. And I would have been fine to leave it at, "but if you think FCA's going to pay you, they're not, because the owner's manual prevails," if those two posters hadn't insisted otherwise.

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In my opinion, its a risk, the windows may came out.

It may surprise you to find that my level of risk/concern for a bad outcome is probably significantly lower than yours, but not if you read. I've repeatedly said I think a bad outcome unlikely. Personally, it's my opinion that the "remove the windows stuff" was just FCA's legal team's contribution to indemnify them from harm more than anything else.

But probably find as long as you make sure they are seated properly.

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Agreed...I don't know why your telling me this, unless you didn't read. As to small probability of bad outcome, these aren't only my sentiments, but I expressed them before you. If I repeated myself, it's because people posed the same issues to me repeatedly. That's not on me.​

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And I would thing below 40 or so, no need to worry about them either way.

And I would think you not try to convince me of that I already agree with you on and have expressly said so above before you without reading, but I do appreciate that's its been a lot of posts.

Please see two sides here: the poster (you) says, "that's a lot of reading before I post," the responder (me) says "that's a lot of rehashing for those who haven't read."

 

[Rahneld]

I came here just to check if there were any more melts. Yes. Yes there were. I'm not bored enough to investigate the thread, so can someone just summarize what the final conclusion was? I use sunrider position often, but I generally leave my windows out all the time anyway, for the pup.

Sure: it's fine to do and unlikely damage will occur; people do it all the time. But, you're on the hook if damage does result, not FCA.

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