Sunrider is Pointless: Epilogue

[mwilk012]

So much for the request not to re-hash....

The thread was just asking for it, given that none of the options in the poll were correct to begin with.

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[JeepDave]

The thread was just asking for it, given that none of the options in the poll were correct to begin with.

There’s two options, Jeep wants you to take windows out or leave them in for Sunrider position... what other option? Option 3: Jeep says take them out but they really mean leave them in?

 

[mwilk012]

From the 2018 JK owner’s manual:

“NOTE: If you are going to be driving faster than 40 mph (64 km/h) with the Sunrider feature open, it is recom- mended that you remove the rear window of the vehicle.
Opening The Sunrider”

Note that this is not a substep in the procedure for lowering the whole top, it is its own separate procedure.

 

[Rahneld]

I think that was covered in the other thread, something about leaving the windows in (JK) up to 40, 45 MPH...so go on and vote, all the info is out there...

You're correct, it's here: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/sunrider-position-pointless.30957/page-14#post-721756 thanks.

In the JK manual it says, on page 161, to remove the back soft window at speeds above 40 mph. Therefore the first item on your poll is the correct one, as things appear to have changed, as we know the product has. If nothing else, the predecessor had zippers, the current model "C-channels."

 

[mwilk012]

There’s two options, Jeep wants you to take windows out or leave them in for Sunrider position... what other option? Option 3: Jeep says take them out but they really mean leave them in?

I believe the procedure is just poorly written, giving users no legal justification for warranty claims if damaged but it was likely intended to operate similar to the JK top.

 

[TaxPhan]

Not again! Can't we leave well enough alone?

 

[Rahneld]

It must seem enormously arrogant to some that I go so far as to say that the first poll option here is correct. It nonetheless is. Here's why, for newcomers, and for easily the 10th time.

• When it comes to warranty and liability claims the owners manual is seen by law and dealers as the overriding document on vehicle operation, particular when other documentation has disclaimer language on it that defers you to the owner's manual for complete details (and the owner's manual lacks such references in regards to vehicle operation (not service--that's something else entirely.)) Case law supports this. If fact case law created the disclaimer language.
• The JL owners manual clearly says the 3 soft windows have to come out when opening the soft top.
• The JK owners manual, the governing body of owner documentation for this older vehicle, incorporating a different design (as most know) for its soft top no less, calls for rear window removal at speeds around/above 40 mph, when opening the top to Sunrider position.
• @JeepCares has made it clear to go with the owner's manual as it regards the JL.

As a result, procedure has changed. I fully acknowledge, irrelevantly here, limited chance of harm here if you keep the soft windows in while in Sunrider mode. I have. All I say is its done solely at owner risk.

I fully acknowledge that other JL guides, subordinate to the owner's manual, with references to it, expressly contradict the manual on Sunrider procedure. It's irrelevant in deciding legal cases and dealer warranty claims, as is the fact that the owner's manual itself has a few inter-manual contradictions, or even mistakes in other subject matter.

Even if FCA execs among themselves are secretly saying, "the soft windows out crap is something 'legal' insisted we publish," in warranty and liability claims, because nobody likes handing out money, FCA and its independently owned dealer network will "tow the line" that the owner's manual had the correct procedure, all as they hypothetically drive away from the courthouse, having won their case, in JLs with Sunrider position soft tops, and soft windows in.

 

[Rahneld]

Not again! Can't we leave well enough alone?

I don't know Peter. If people disagree with my post above, which is FCA's and the court's line, not mine, some of us may debate: not because exhaustion hasn't set in on this subject matter, and not because we "have to be right," even when we are, but because people make informed decisions here from what they read; and what they read should be accurate.

There are certainly topics worthy of debate with no right answer. "The best off road axle," has no right answer. But this debate does. : - )

 

[TaxPhan]

But none of you who are continuing to argue about it are ever going to concede to the other's position. So at this point, it should just be comedy contained to one thread, not two! I left my popcorn in the other one.

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