Sunrider position pointless?

[Rahneld]

@OldGuyNewJeep guy. It's not my forum: your entitled to your opinion. But dudes (you) whining about

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Dudes whining about law suits

sounds like, at least in part, me: the same guy who has said more than once that he's kept windows in (i.e. pursing a hobby) while simply saying that you, me, and everyone else, simply stated, does so at their own risk. It would have stayed there, said once, if others hadn't repeatedly and incorrectly challenged that.

If your talking about others I'm sorry.

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[Rahneld]

Can I not run sunrider mode if I haven’t gotten off-road pages yet?

Is this trolling; were the answers trolling? You do realize they have nothing to do with each other right? I'm not dense, but I've seen far stranger questions here so you never really know people's intent. Then again your stats suggest you're seasoned here.

If a legitimate question I don't mean to insult you.

 

[digitalbliss]

LOL, you just can't help it can you? A last word kind of guy I guess. No need to continue to write novels explaining the he she said. I've been reading this since the beginning, one post at a time all the way to here. Ultimately it's pretty clear that you like to hear yourself speak, sometimes it reminds me of Everett in "O Brother where art thou".
To be honest, up to this point, I haven't had one thought about your wife. But.... if you post up a picture I'll take my best stab at it.

After that last four (four!!!!!) posts, I decided I'd like to quote myself...

 

[Rahneld]

After that last four (four!!!!!) posts, I decided I'd like to quote myself...

@digitalbliss this is a classic case of you not being able to debate on fact, because after huffing and puffing and insisting you're right you were shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that you were wrong.

So instead, you attack the messenger.

Have you heard the phrase "if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger?" That's what you're doing. It's lame.

Suggestion: if you don't have any additional information to add to support or refute soft window removal in Sunrider position then stop trying to win a debate here you've already lost.

I answered questions directed pretty much at me or in general, where wrong answers were replied back.

So sorry this upsets you.

If someone directs something at you, or the collective at large, feel free to answer it. I won't judge you for doing so, unless you answer incorrectly.

 

[digitalbliss]

@digitalbliss this is a classic case of you not being able to debate on fact, because after huffing and puffing and insisting you're right you were shown beyond a shadow of a doubt that you were wrong.

So instead, you attack the messenger.

Have you heard the phrase "if you can't attack the message, attack the messenger?" That's what you're doing. It's lame.

Suggestion: if you don't have any additional information to add to support or refute soft window removal in Sunrider position then stop trying to win a debate here you've already lost.

I answered questions directed pretty much at me or in general, where wrong answers were replied back.

So sorry this upsets you.

If someone directs something at you, or the collective at large, feel free to answer it. I won't judge you for doing so, unless you answer incorrectly.

No need for a debate.. Winner!

 

[Rahneld]

No need for a debate.. Winner!

@digitalbliss, I am truly beginning to think you're trolling or have executive decision making function problems. I say the latter clinically, not judgementally.

We've been through this.

• You refer to a supplemental card that refers you to the owner's manual for complete details. Like I told you already, move that yellow pen a tad to the right. See the disclaimer to refer to the owner's manual for complete details?
• As the owner's manual refers to no other for operational aspects, and it says to remove the soft windows when in Sunrider position, that, and case law makes the owner's manual the de facto standard when conflicting instructions arise. If you want to pursue the non-legal argument, @JeepCares concurs with me. If you want the legal one, not a dime will you collect from FCA from damage to or caused by your soft windows if you don't follow FCA's instructions--as unlikely as I think damage is.

It is amazing. Even if you think @JeepCares ignorant (your response to differing with them,) , they have access to people more knowledgeable than either of us.

If this is trolling you're not getting a rise out of me. Rather, your performing Einstein's definition of insanity: repeating the same steps over again, changing nothing, and hoping for a different outcome.

What do you think is going to happen @digitalbliss, mother FCA is going to take a stand and disagree with their own @JeepCares so they can pay money in damages?

Give it a rest.

..and if it makes you feel better, I agree this supplemental and subordinate guide to the owner's manual fundamentally disagrees with the owner's manual. Happy?

It matters not. Wanna say FCA is confusing? I agree. Be my guest.

 

[robaw]

No need for a debate.. Winner!

So what exactly are "steps 3 & 4"? Seriously FCA - proofread your literature!!! Maybe they should just stick to "instructions" that are really just illustrations with no words.

 

[digitalbliss]

So what exactly are "steps 3 & 4"? Seriously FCA - proofread your literature!!! Maybe they should just stick to "instructions" that are really just illustrations with no words.

 

[digitalbliss]

@digitalbliss, I am truly beginning to think you're trolling or have executive decision making function problems. I say the latter clinically, not judgementally.

We've been through this.

• You refer to a supplemental card that refers you to the owner's manual for complete details. Like I told you already, move that yellow pen a tad to the right. See the disclaimer to refer to the owner's manual for complete details?
• As the owner's manual refers to no other for operational aspects, and it says to remove the soft windows when in Sunrider position, that, and case law makes the owner's manual the de facto standard when conflicting instructions arise. If you want to pursue the non-legal argument, @JeepCares concurs with me. If you want the legal one, not a dime will you collect from FCA from damage to or caused by your soft windows if you don't follow FCA's instructions--as unlikely as I think damage is.

It is amazing. Even if you think @JeepCares ignorant (your response to differing with them,) , they have access to people more knowledgeable than either of us.

If this is trolling you're not getting a rise out of me. Rather, your performing Einstein's definition of insanity: repeating the same steps over again, changing nothing, and hoping for a different outcome.

What do you think is going to happen @digitalbliss, mother FCA is going to take a stand and disagree with their own @JeepCares so they can pay money in damages?

Give it a rest.

Yeah, I'm sure they included that card for no reason at all

 

[Rahneld]

Yeah, I'm sure they included that card for no reason at all

The presence or absence of the card and what it says is immaterial.

I did not get such a card; which you'll use I suspect, incorrectly to confuse this card with an official change to the manual. It isn't. Not by FCA policy, not by law.

@digitalbliss : let's keep this simple. Here's your win: Produce an official FCA addendum to the owner's manual that corrects the 2018 to 2019 owner's manuals, that says differently about soft window removal in Sunrider position. Show me where it expressly says that it supersedes the owner's manual as of a certain date.

A card with different information, even if it were correct, and the manual were wrong, which refers you to the owner's manual doesn't not trump it; it's subordinate to it.

If I could bring Sergio Marchionne back from the dead to tell you this, I'm afraid it still wouldn't register with you.

I also already explain to you why this card was included: because competitors do this, because many people don't read the manual, as much as they're bound by it, and because FCA doesn't want you to wing it, hurt someone, or become a disenfranchised owner--even as a product of your screwups because you didn't read, much as their intent and this card are at odds with one another.

 

[robaw]

Ah, that makes more sense. It was probably already mentioned and I just missed it, sorry. This thread is quite reminiscent of a few threads arguing Moabs vs Rubicons - so many arguments on both sides with few willing to concede. I've learned over the years that sometimes you just have to let it go, even if you know you're right.

 

[Rahneld]

Ah, that makes more sense. It was probably already mentioned and I just missed it, sorry. This thread is quite reminiscent of a few threads arguing Moabs vs Rubicons - so many arguments on both sides with few willing to concede. I've learned over the years that sometimes you just have to let it go, even if you know you're right.

How's about if your unwilling to admit your wrong.....?

 

[digitalbliss]

How's about if your unwilling to admit your wrong.....?

That's a perfect question to ask your self @Rahneld

 

[Rahneld]

That's a perfect question to ask your self @Rahneld

Don't ask me @digitalbliss. Ask @JeepCares.

I guess if @JeepCares doesn't side with you, and rather me, they're wrong too---do I have that right?

Let me make a metaphor @digitalbliss, if this were a boxing match, and it isn't, your coach would scream at you to stay on the mat for the count.

@digitalbliss, I'm going to give you a chance to leave this being right.

"I give 100% odds that you'll respond."

Prove me wrong and don't--and then you'll be right, and I'll be wrong!!!!

 

[jawest12]

@jawest12 removed for brevity

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You are incorrect in your assumption, I have read every single post in this thread. My position and post still stands. As you have stated yourself, we agree on many points. You have just spent way too many words, and turned on "legalese" to vastly over complicate the conversation when is was not necessary. I don't know if you are studying to be in the legal field, or what, but really man, it's just not needed on a forum. With over 20 years in the legal industry, I hear enough of it as it is.

Truth is, I risk it below 40, not a big deal. Above 40, I just open the back, just like in a JK. Probably not necessary, but it makes me happy.

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