Strike Four, You're OUT

[NWJeepr]

Did the OP actually trade? Or is he trading now after 8 pages of battery shaming?

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[OlGray]

So rather than replacing the batteries with better quality for a few hundred dollars you traded in a vehicle you otherwise "loved everything about"? You spent more than that on doc fees trading it in not to mention the massive loss on a trade ins value, taxes, etc. The aux delete and a better quality main battery like an odyssey or optima would have solved your problems and its been covered and beat to death a million times on this forum. We all know the oem quality of the batteries is piss poor at best. Changing out the crap batteries with more crap batteries over and over is the definition of instantly even if it was free every time under warranty. If my batteries fail under warranty I'll tell the dealer I'll buy the better quality batteries and they can cover the labor under warranty. Win/win.

Thank you Z. If I run into this I'll know what to do.

 

[Atomic-Mouse]

So rather than replacing the batteries with better quality for a few hundred dollars you traded in a vehicle you otherwise "loved everything about"? You spent more than that on doc fees trading it in not to mention the massive loss on a trade ins value, taxes, etc. The aux delete and a better quality main battery like an odyssey or optima would have solved your problems and its been covered and beat to death a million times on this forum. We all know the oem quality of the batteries is piss poor at best. Changing out the crap batteries with more crap batteries over and over is the definition of instantly even if it was free every time under warranty. If my batteries fail under warranty I'll tell the dealer I'll buy the better quality batteries and they can cover the labor under warranty. Win/win.

lots of money spent on mods,

Just no money left for a good battery apparently.

I was thinking of sending my Jeep to the junkyard to see what it was worth for scrap. the floors are kinda dirty and I have vacuumed it six times and it just gets dirty again. I shouldn’t have to put up with such atrocities. ?

 

[dsgrey]

Maybe he traded it for a Honda. Spouses 2022 Honda battery lasted 13 months

 

[Gangplank]

Spends way more on mods (than paragraph spacing and punctuation), but not willing to buy a good batter or modify the known issue with the Aux battery.

Trades the Jeep at a loss & posts on a Jeep forum looking for sympathy. Found none.

 

[TEOTWAWKI Rubicon]

This thread is a good example of Battered Jeep Owner Syndrome. Known manufacturing/design defect and the general consensus is that it is up to the consumer to replace or bypass the shitty design. Weird.

 

[MichaelT333]

I love everything about my '21 JLU Willys Edition, except the Auxiliary Battery and the pesky Battery Charge Warning Light. The first time the Warning Light appeared, maybe a year or so into ownership, the dealer replaced both the Main Battery and Auxiliary Battery. Everything was fine until the warning light appeared again, maybe a year or so later. The dealer installed a new Auxiliary Battery, which did not charge. That didn't solve the problem so back to the dealer, this time to replace the Main Battery. Four new batteries to the dump, and counting. About a year ago, the Jeep wouldn't start. You guessed it: Battery Warning Light back on. Called AAA, who helped me jump start the Main Battery. Then back to the dealer, who replaced both the Main and Auxiliary Batteries. Now six relatively new batteries had been removed and sent to the dump. The local Jeep dealer suggested coming in to test the batteries before the first 36 months went by, as the "Extended Warranty" does not cover the one problem I keep having with the Auxiliary Battery. Two weeks ago, after driving the day before, the Jeep wouldn't start. This time, the same AAA driver came by, jump started the battery, but the Battery Charge Warning Light stayed on. With six relatively new batteries in the local dump, a Jeep that wouldn't start, the prospect of buying two more batteries despite an "Extended Warranty", less than 29k miles in under 39 months, lots of money spent on mods, clean Carfax and nothing else wrong other than not starting, a Warranty that doesn't cover the things that break, six relatively new batteries in the dump, and getting to know the local AAA Roadside Assistance guy who remembered the last visit, that was it. I traded in my Jeep. I loved my Jeep but need something that starts when I press the ignition. No need for @JeepCares, but as so many know, the Auxiliary Battery is a defective design, and I will gladly work with a Class Action attorney or @NHTSA.

Sounds like you have a parasitic draw somewhere that is draining your batteries

 

[Apexcars]

I don’t understand how people keep saying that installing a reliable permanent fix is a band-aid. Maybe they don’t understand the terminology. A band aid is a temporary solution that is designed to keep things from getting worse and allow you to keep limited function until a permanent fix is rendered. Applying something that permanently fixes a known problem is a solution. It may not be factory but it works. Replacing the terrible halogen lights with an aftermarket set of LEDs is not a band-aid to the lighting problem, it is a solution. Deleting the problematic AUX battery and replacing the poor quality main battery with good quality is a solution.

 

[Apexcars]

Just because you would trade for a Taco. Everyone has their own needs. My wish list is: more comfortable, multi-adjustable leather seats, great ride on road-or-off, latest tech but not dominated by large and bright iPad-size screen. BTW, the wait list here for the Hybrid Tacomas is in the hundreds, including several friends. But I'd prefer the comfort of a Land Rover and the reliability and hybrid technology of a Toyota. Still looking...

So you sold off a vehicle that had a know easily repairable short coming to replace it with a vehicle that doesn’t actually exist. Good plan my friend, good plan.

 

[Zandcwhite]

I don’t understand how people keep saying that installing a reliable permanent fix is a band-aid. Maybe they don’t understand the terminology. A band aid is a temporary solution that is designed to keep things from getting worse and allow you to keep limited function until a permanent fix is rendered. Applying something that permanently fixes a known problem is a solution. It may not be factory but it works. Replacing the terrible halogen lights with an aftermarket set of LEDs is not a band-aid to the lighting problem, it is a solution. Deleting the problematic AUX battery and replacing the poor quality main battery with good quality is a solution.

I don't think anyone believes the factory batteries are good. Even if you want to keep the aux battery you should replace it with a better quality option.

 

[Willys41]

If every thing worked perfect in this world we would not have crashed jet plains, blown up space shuttles and so on.
Fix what jeep refused to fix.
Delete the AUX battery and replace the main with a good brand and you are done.
Its unfortunate that jeep owner has to get so frustrated over a simple fix that they trade it in or sell it.

 

[Ratbert]

I don’t understand how people keep saying that installing a reliable permanent fix is a band-aid. Maybe they don’t understand the terminology. A band aid is a temporary solution that is designed to keep things from getting worse and allow you to keep limited function until a permanent fix is rendered. Applying something that permanently fixes a known problem is a solution. It may not be factory but it works. Replacing the terrible halogen lights with an aftermarket set of LEDs is not a band-aid to the lighting problem, it is a solution. Deleting the problematic AUX battery and replacing the poor quality main battery with good quality is a solution.

Isn't it still considered a band-aid if there's a risk of having a warranty claim denied as a result of partially rewiring the electrical system.

 

[jacobmlucas]

Agreed. We didn’t have to babysit the batteries back then, and we shouldn’t have to now.

Just because we shouldn’t, doesn’t mean we don’t. Do the overly talked about fix(es) and move on.

Electronics have never been jeep’s strong suit, but off-road capability is.

the capability of a jeep far out outweighs the down sides. If you don’t need the capability a Toyota would be a great option.

 

[Dusty Dude]

Just because we shouldn’t, doesn’t mean we don’t. Do the overly talked about fix(es) and move on.

Electronics have never been jeep’s strong suit, but off-road capability is.

the capability of a jeep far out outweighs the down sides. If you don’t need the capability a Toyota would be a great option.

My comment was based on this battery parasitic drain problem being industry wide, not just Jeep. IMHO, 90 percent of the computers in these vehicles shouldn’t be there, and what remains shouldn’t drain the battery when parked. Unfortunately, that is not the world we live in.

 

[sixspeed]

This is the way. If you never use ESS the battery will easily last the expected 3-5 years. If you're using SS you're lucky to get 2 years out of them. I try to tell people that any fuel savings they might get over the years is immediately outpaced by having to replace the batteries so often; especially if you're paying the dealer to replace them.

AGM batteries hate being discharged. Get one completely flat and it's almost guaranteed to never hold a charge again. They're designed to start the vehicle and then sit at essentially full capacity 99% of their life. Instead you're sitting at a red light for 2 minutes running all the electronics 5-10 times every drive cycle. The aux begins to fail due to this as it's significantly smaller at 200CCA, then the aux begins to kill off the primary since they're always connected to each other while the vehicle sits. They just don't hold up.

I have always heard that only stops of around 40 seconds or more give you any gas savings. For me, most aren't that long. I Tazer off the ESS.

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