~"Serious offroading"~

[Zandcwhite]

You know I never understand why people complain about their significant other in some ways. They knew exactly what they were "buying into" when they said "I do".

They accepted it then but later on they want to complain and it just blows my mind. I guess I'll just never understand people in general.

I guess it depends. Just because you married someone doesn't mean you knew exactly what you were "buying into". Some hide their true selves for years and are really good at it. Even if they aren't sociopaths, do you really know someone after a few years of dating? Especially if you never lived together before marriage? Hell I've been married to my wife for 25 years this year and she'll still surprise me at times. I don't think I know EXACTLY what to expect on any given day. I agree with the premise, those unhappily married but too dumb to go types though. Why constantly bitch about anything you aren't actively trying to improve?

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[vaJLUR]

Serious is an interesting descriptor..
We really enjoy the more scenic areas but do not shy away from "difficult" trails either. That said i'm not terribly keen on "extreme" and try to stay within a margin of error of my own ability paired with my jeeps...
However.. We see Toyotas etc of all kinds all over in Uwharrie during our bi annual trips, and similar style parks..
We do not see any unless they're closer to a buggy than a 4R at places like Good Evening Ranch.

Not an IFS rig to be seen anywhere on this property.

 

[roaniecowpony]

.... Why constantly bitch about anything you aren't actively trying to improve?

Recreation?

 

[Zandcwhite]

Recreation?

Some people have shitty hobbies, I guess that could be it?

 

[Remorseless]

Recreation?

 

[autotragic]

Right. Because no one ever changes as they get older...

Not really no. Every long-term relationship that I've personally witnessed end in divorce has been for reasons that were there right from the start. It's just when you're younger I think you're more likely to gloss over otherwise deal breaking traits.

Like the guy that always cheated on his girl and then they've been married for a while and then she just finds out but he was always cheating on her before he even married her.

Are the other one that was a dope smoker and she also smoked but then she quit smoking at some point and then got tired of him still smoking but they both smoked dope before they ever got married.

In both of those cases both women knew exactly what they were getting into and then had buyer's remorse later on. And the first example she knew he was a cheater but didn't think he would cheat on her. Laughable.

Those are just two examples that I personally know of from people that I've known since I was a child.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Not really no. Every long-term relationship that I've personally witnessed end in divorce has been for reasons that were there right from the start. It's just when you're younger I think you're more likely to gloss over otherwise deal breaking traits.

Like the guy that always cheated on his girl and then they've been married for a while and then she just finds out but he was always cheating on her before he even married her.

Are the other one that was a dope smoker and she also smoked but then she quit smoking at some point and then got tired of him still smoking but they both smoked dope before they ever got married.

In both of those cases both women knew exactly what they were getting into and then had buyer's remorse later on. And the first example she knew he was a cheater but didn't think he would cheat on her. Laughable.

Those are just two examples that I personally know of from people that I've known since I was a child.

My experience is different than yours.

I've seen many couples break up once they get around the seven year itch. People who looked like great couples at the start but one or both of the people suddenly decide they don't actually want what they thought they wanted. And the marriage goes south. There is a high concentration of this right around when someone hits 30 or so.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Not really no. Every long-term relationship that I've personally witnessed end in divorce has been for reasons that were there right from the start. It's just when you're younger I think you're more likely to gloss over otherwise deal breaking traits.

Like the guy that always cheated on his girl and then they've been married for a while and then she just finds out but he was always cheating on her before he even married her.

Are the other one that was a dope smoker and she also smoked but then she quit smoking at some point and then got tired of him still smoking but they both smoked dope before they ever got married.

In both of those cases both women knew exactly what they were getting into and then had buyer's remorse later on. And the first example she knew he was a cheater but didn't think he would cheat on her. Laughable.

Those are just two examples that I personally know of from people that I've known since I was a child.

Not saying that doesn't happen, but you've seriously never witnessed anyone make drastic changes after years? If you're both committed, you'll go through major life changes together and weather the storm. But I've seen guys leave after significant career improvements. Women leave after career struggles. Dudes leave after the wife puts on a few pounds. Women leave after losing a bunch of weight and feeling like they can now do better. The idea that nobody changes is absurd. I'm nowhere near the immature hot head I was when we met. She's not a 21 year old willing to overlook my flaws just to save the peace. She deserves better and expects better. If you haven't grown as a man in decades, I feel sorry for you.

 

[LDSSILLS]

It means using your truck everyday for chores carrying a 900lb bail and 500lb of cake, running through 30 miles of deep snow, rain, sand...like in my avatar photo.

I read allot of this off roading stuff, but few know there are ranchers out there that run off road 24/7.

Yep there are no boulders but in exchange a they do have a 1 to 1.5 ton load they carry. They do all of this on regular tires maybe an added spring in the back for the extra weight.

For me it's running a 125 square mile trapline 24/7 for 3-4 months. Why a jeep or suburban and not an SXS. Simple, real vehicles are whole lot tougher than those toys. They will get you there and back. If you need a tire or parts most small towns have a shop that can get what you need. Try that with a ATV or UTV and you'll be walking.

EDIT: I wanted to add this I do tow a trailer with UTV on it. At near 70 I am too old to walk 20 miles cross country, so the UTV acts like a spare just like my tire. But still the vehicle is the primary vehicle.

 

[Flip]

Serious is an interesting descriptor..
We really enjoy the more scenic areas but do not shy away from "difficult" trails either. That said i'm not terribly keen on "extreme" and try to stay within a margin of error of my own ability paired with my jeeps...
However.. We see Toyotas etc of all kinds all over in Uwharrie during our bi annual trips, and similar style parks..
We do not see any unless they're closer to a buggy than a 4R at places like Good Evening Ranch.

Not an IFS rig to be seen anywhere on this property.

Hey man, nice climb, well done!

 

[roaniecowpony]

... If you haven't grown as a man in decades, I feel sorry for you.

Your comment made me reflect on a nearly life-long friend that is likely dying from cirrhosis, divorced twice, and now living in a trailer behind another friend's house in the desert, living on a meager social security benefit and small retirement. He hasn't changed at all in 50 years. He's the same guy. One part of me want's to feel sorry for him. The other part of me envies his life. He did everything he wanted to do, his way. No compromises. None. Not for a career, not for women (and there were so many) or family. Although, women were one of his weaknesses or shall I say he was women's weakness. So, I stopped feeling sorry for him and just appreciate that he has been my friend.

 

[Punkn89]

Just my opinion, there are many different answers:

If you're overlanding, just about any 4WD/AWD can accommodate that, whether it be a Subaru, Jeep, Toyota, etc.

Mudding is for rednecks with monster trucks - no offense to anyone.

Beach - any 4WD/AWD should be fine when aired down.

Snow - Depends. Nothing is good on ice. Deep snow may require 4WD, but I am sure AWD would work with snow rated tires.

Serious off-roading to me would require obstacles (example: climbing rocks) that you actually need to have a lift, bigger tires, sway bar disconnected, lockers/limited slip, and armor. I do not do this, I usually stick with light overlanding and beach driving.

Don't come at me lol. **Edit** You may disregard the last statement

 

[NWJeepr]

Serious off-roading, boys, not serious relationships. Get it back in the lane.

 

[wibornz]

Right. Because no one ever changes as they get older...

Lord knows I changed. Heck I am 46 pounds lighter than what I was when we got married 35 years ago. My wife is maybe 10 pounds heavier than when we got married. Plus I think she has picked up a couple more personalities. She had like six when I married her. Lucky for me they are all female personalities. LOL.

I would like to think that I am al little wiser and a little smarter, but hey spend money on JeepS. So it would depend on who you ask.

 

[roaniecowpony]

Lord knows I changed. Heck I am 46 pounds lighter than what I was when we got married 35 years ago. My wife is maybe 10 pounds heavier than when we got married. Plus I think she has picked up a couple more personalities. She had like six when I married her. Lucky for me they are all female personalities. LOL.

I would like to think that I am al little wiser and a little smarter, but hey spend money on JeepS. So it would depend on who you ask.

I think six is the standard issue package.

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