PUP beat Driven

[Jeep Junkie]

Guys, I saw a video of that Australian lubrication expert. He compared blending oil to making cupcakes. Everyone has access to ingredients, but only the masters know how to make a great cupcake. Only buy cupcakes from Shell and Mobil. Do not buy cupcakes from people who experiment making cupcakes in their backyard

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[Jeep Junkie]

I'll give you the example of HPL, they buy the most expensive base oil, and they throw truck loads of additives into it and hope for the best It doesn't work like that, come on! And they have zero certifications and zero approvals, they expect you to have faith in them like having faith in God Redline does the exact same thing, and it got its ass handed over to it by PUP. More of everything doesn't mean it's better.

 

[GW’s JL]

M1 ESP in 7 vehicles I own and or maintain.

This is M1’s newest.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

M1 ESP in 7 vehicles I own and or maintain.

This is M1’s newest.

Well that's a great oil, it is Mobil. My best UOA was with Mobil 1 too. I am talking about the boutique scam, they are tree shade blenders who have no clue about making oil. They buy the ingredients made by Shell and Mobil, mix them and hope a good cupcake is made by accident. No thank you!

 

[GW’s JL]

Well that's a great oil, it is Mobil. My best UOA was with Mobil 1 too. I am talking about the boutique scam, they are tree shade blenders who have no clue about making oil. They buy the ingredients made by Shell and Mobil, mix them and hope a good cupcake is made by accident. No thank you!

I don’t use boutique engine oils but would have no problem trusting HPL or Amsoil. HPL was formulated by Dr Leslie Rudnick. The god father of synthetics who worked for Mobil for over 30 years. He created Mobil 1 Tri Syn.

I also would have no problems running PUP 0W-40. Lake formulated Driven oils so I’m sure they’re fine as well. I have watched every Lake vid to date. He has yet to test SS but plans to do so in the future. Lake currently has HPL oil in his Porsche because he thinks he can do better. It will be tested against PUP and Driven.

 

[Ratbert]

I can't wait to get my hands on the latest version of PUP

Very few people here cream their pants over motor oil.

 

[GW’s JL]

Ranking oils only based on wear is not looking at the whole picture. Other attributes like engine/piston cleanliness, oxidation resistance, viscosity retention are also very important. Fully formulated oils do many things. I had messaged Lake asking why he only uses wear and his response was because that’s the only data we have. This method makes me uneasy because I own other vehicles(not Jeep) that suffer from engine deposits when using certain oils.

 

[scorpionsix]

Very few people here cream their pants over motor oil.

FWIW, I performed an oil change a couple of weeks ago at the gospel 5K mile interval. I drained M1 5W30 and replaced it with PUP 5W30 and now the cold starts are less noisy on my 2.0

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Ranking oils only based on wear is not looking at the whole picture. Other attributes like engine/piston cleanliness, oxidation resistance, viscosity retention are also very important. Fully formulated oils do many things. I had messaged Lake asking why he only uses wear and his response was because that’s the only data we have. This method makes me uneasy because I own other vehicles(not Jeep) that suffer from engine deposits when using certain oils.

PUP is as clean as they come, that's not even a discussion.

 

[GW’s JL]

PUP is as clean as they come, that's not even a discussion.

It does clean good. But the best cleaning oils use ester and/or AN’s.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

FWIW, I performed an oil change a couple of weeks ago at the gospel 5K mile interval. I drained M1 5W30 and replaced it with PUP 5W30 and now the cold starts are less noisy on my 2.0

Technically you should not be using PUP on your 2.0, it lack's 2.0's approval. I think it has something to do with the amount of calcium, PUP has more calcium which is not good for turbocharged engines

 

[Jeep Junkie]

It does clean good. But the best cleaning oils use ester and/or AN’s.

It keeps things clean, so why you would need a cleaner. If your regularly brush your teeth, use floss and mouthwash, why would you need a root canal

 

[GW’s JL]

It keeps things clean, so why you would need a cleaner. If your regularly brush your teeth, use floss and mouthwash, why would you need a root canal

If it can keep things clean you’re correct. Unfortunately some people get dealer bulk oil or Jiffy Lube. We know better and use high quality oil from day one.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

If it can keep things clean you’re correct. Unfortunately some people get dealer bulk oil or Jiffy Lube. We know better.

Not me, in 25,000 miles on my Jeep, I must have changed my oil at least 15 times. Oil goes in clean and comes out clean

 

[scorpionsix]

Technically you should not be using PUP on your 2.0, it lack's 2.0's approval. I think it has something to do with the amount of calcium, PUP has more calcium which is not good for turbocharged engines

Higher levels of calcium seems to be a thing of the past. I do appreciate your post none the less.

Calcium and LSPI
The concern about calcium levels stems from research showing that high concentrations of calcium-based detergents can increase the likelihood of LSPI events. LSPI is an abnormal combustion event that can cause severe engine damage, such as broken pistons.

In response to this issue, the oil industry introduced the API SN Plus and later the current API SP categories. Oils with these ratings manage LSPI by:

• Reducing calcium levels: Typical calcium levels were reduced from 2,000-3,000 parts per million (ppm) to lower levels, often around 1,200 ppm or less.
• Increasing magnesium levels: Magnesium-based detergents are used to replace some of the calcium, as they have little impact on LSPI.

Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Suitability
Modern Pennzoil Ultra Platinum formulations are designed to meet or exceed the latest industry standards, including ILSAC GF-6 and API SP. This means they are inherently formulated to be LSPI-safe for turbocharged engines.

While some older formulations of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum might have had slightly higher calcium levels than regular Pennzoil Platinum (e.g., 1029 ppm vs. 780 ppm in one test), these levels are still within the acceptable range for modern API standards and significantly lower than the levels found to be problematic in older, non-certified oils.

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