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IF we move the conversation toward further good science and not what a guy can do on is limited resource (much better than basing is conclusion on the seed of the pants). I would say that even if he do 100 oil analysis of is engine the only achievement will be providing solid number for IS engine but the real feat will be properly capture is engine aging process.
Do we actually think the engine will fail sooner (due to miles/usage) using Amsoil versus Pennzoil? This is the question that should be asked and answered.

My opinion? There will be no discernible difference...
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Having previously lived on a Florida cattle ranch, I can unequivocally state that no, they do not squat. They walk around doing their normal bovine stuff, and poop just falls out of their butts, frequently while walking to and fro.
 

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Oil analysis is a tool, what is your use of that tool ?
It is for testing the health of the oil and to a much lesser degree measuring wear. A UOA is to check fuel dilution, viscosity, additive pack health. oxidation, nitration, and the like. It is and never has been a "wear gauge".

Fleets use UOAs to see how far the oil can ran before it has to be changed thereby saving tens of thousands of dollars on maintenance. No fleet manager has ever said, oil "X" produces the least amount of wear...
 

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I was watching a video on YouTube the other day about how to replace the oil pressure sensor on the EcoDiesel's oil cooler. The guy who was talking through the video, showing the process, is a shop mechanic. For a minute there he was talking about an EcoDiesel 1500 he got to work on The other day that needed a new oil cooler, and it was at 350,000 mi. He was talking about how the owner swears that it got that many miles with so few repairs needed solely due to AmSoil.

Personally I use whatever is cheapest, and meets the minimum specs needed for my EcoDiesel.

I don't get why people care so much about having the most perfect oil on the planet. At the end of the day your engine's going to last 250,000 to 400,000 mi (If you're lucky) and then it's going to die. So as long as your oil isn't the absolute worst quality stuff and bricks your engine, who the hell cares how pristine the oil is. There are bigger things to worry about with Jeeps... Like how quickly your lifters are going to fail, whether my HPFP decides to grenade or not. Things that have less to do with quality of oil than they do quality of parts in the vehicle.


If you guys could find me an oil that's going to make my engine guaranteed last an extra 100,000 mi, I would say let's have a conversation about it. Otherwise, you guys worry about some stupid stuff. 🤦‍♂️

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go drill some holes in my tailgate! :asshat:
 

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Even if tested in a lab under controlled conditions with hundreds of tests and trendlines there will be no concensus. Someone will claim the conditions do not match real-world conditions so the test is invalid.
Doesn't matter if someone doesn't believe solid data. It's true whether they like it or not.
 

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Do we actually think the engine will fail sooner (due to miles/usage) using Amsoil versus Pennzoil? This is the question that should be asked and answered.

My opinion? There will be no discernible difference...
Interesting question, can you describe what is included in the word failure here ?


It is for testing the health of the oil and to a much lesser degree measuring wear. A UOA is to check fuel dilution, viscosity, additive pack health. oxidation, nitration, and the like. It is and never has been a "wear gauge".

Fleets use UOAs to see how far the oil can ran before it has to be changed thereby saving tens of thousands of dollars on maintenance. No fleet manager has ever said, oil "X" produces the least amount of wear...
The question is: why invest in equipment to measure or even include the wear number in the report if the information is irrelevant ?
 

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Do we actually think the engine will fail sooner (due to miles/usage) using Amsoil versus Pennzoil? This is the question that should be asked and answered.

My opinion? There will be no discernible difference...
Yep. Regular oil and filter changes on a reasonable schedule will likely have the engine run fine until something else fails, barring any statisical outlier.
 

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The question is: why invest in equipment to measure or even include the wear number in the report if the information is irrelevant ?
Because a sudden rise in contaminants will inform you something is going wrong before it fails.

For example, a blown head gasket leaking coolant into the oil.
 

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Do we actually think the engine will fail sooner (due to miles/usage) using Amsoil versus Pennzoil? This is the question that should be asked and answered.

My opinion? There will be no discernible difference...
I agree, I find OCI to be far more important, then viscosity, and finally what additives the manufacturer included to affect viscosity at temps high and low, and deal with wear, carbon, etc.
 

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Yep. Regular oil and filter changes on a reasonable schedule will likely have the engine run fine until something else fails, barring any statisical outlier.
How do you classify GM changing oil viscosity as band aid to their engine issue ?
Oil property have a certain influence other than making sure it is in best life span.
 

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Because a sudden rise in contaminants will inform you something is going wrong before it fails.

For example, a blown head gasket leaking coolant into the oil.
still have a section call wear metal, head gasket will be under contaminant section as you point.
 

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How do you classify GM changing oil viscosity as band aid to their engine issue ?
Oil property have a certain influence other than making sure it is in best life span.
I didn't know they had an issue

Could be engineering was forced to recommend the wrong oil.
 

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still have a section call wear metal, head gasket will be under contaminant section as you point.
That was just one example. I don't have to give an exhaustive list for my point to be valid
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