jeepoch
Well-Known Member
- First Name
- Jay
- Joined
- Nov 13, 2019
- Threads
- 1
- Messages
- 951
- Reaction score
- 2,687
- Location
- Longmont, CO
- Vehicle(s)
- 2019 JL Wrangler Sport S 3.6L Auto 2 door, 2.5" lift, 35s
Jeff,
Welcome to the forum, glad you're here.
After reading lots of these types of threads, where someone asks about this or that reliability factor, you are indeed correct in your prediction; expect responses from all over the spectrum. This thread is turning out to be no different.
Instead of jumping right in and providing my feedback, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions as well. How much do you really want a Wrangler? Are you expecting to be persuaded either for or against?
It seems some people buy a JL with some specific up-front expectation and then complain when some part of its delivery doesn't match or meet it.
Wranglers are not cars, they don't drive like your dad's (or grandfather's) Oldsmobile. They're not trucks, they have the towing capacity of a Beatle. They don't perform like go-carts or dragsters and certainly have mileage ratings that any environmentalist will despise to the point of shear anger.
What Wranglers are is something no other vehicle can ever deliver, a go anywhere, do anything, customizable, purely unique vehicle that delivers a little bit of everything plus some stuff only 'you' could dream up.
Still for a lot of people this still isn't enough. They want it to ride like a Cadillac while getting 30+ miles per gallon. They want it to act like a Camry when going for groceries yet be the biggest baddest jalopy in the parking lot.
They want to dream or believe they'll take it far into the wilderness when the furthest they'll take it is to Disney's Wilderness Lodge.
A Wrangler seems to have to satisfy the highest of expectations from people that somehow believe that simply owning one will change their lives and fulfill their adventurist spirit, all by itself. Just add gas and '''poof''' you're suddenly somewhere on the planet no one has ever been before.
Where Wranglers truly shine is what they were designed for: a four wheel drive utility vehicle that will get you to wherever it is YOU point it. On-road, off-road, sleet, snow, sand, mud, rocks, beaches, boulders, mountains.
You can do more in a Wrangler than any other vehicle produced. Take off it's roof, doors, windshield and sway-bar links. Lift it, regear it, winch it, tow it. 4Hi, 4Lo, either locked or unlocked. Doing all of this as if it was designed that way... (of course, it certainly was.)
However, it doesn't do any of these things... You do. How much of it truly acts like a Jeep (or not) is up to you. At the mall or up on a high mountain pass is only up to you and wherever in your heart you want to be. The Wrangler will very dutifully oblige your intentions like nothing else. Even almost exactly stock.
So only you can judge reliability in the context of your own perceptions. Sure, the clutch, and steering-box recalls are egg on FCA's Engineering's face. Fuses, wiring, fit and finish are UAW mess-ups. Spending $50+K should speak volumes in having no issues whatsoever. Especially if correcting such problems require a dealership and corporate experience from hell.
We Jeepers are clearly in an ugly tug-of-war, and your specific reliability experience will depend on many dynamic factors. As with any other automobile, quality is but a fleeting perception when you've acquired a lemon. Be it a Jeep, Lexus or Ferrari. But no other vehicle has the pure unadulterated 'fun' factor available to so many. That in it's own right has value. That is as long as your willing to play and expect your Jeep to be something more than simply ordinary.
No one can set the 'value' of what a Jeep means to you (but you).
For reference, the cluster and Intelligent Battery Sensor (IBS) had to be replaced on my 2019 Sport S with 20K miles. Both very (very) minor inconveniences as compared to the smile on my face whenever I'm piloting it. It takes me to places I may not otherwise ever experience. I'm especially really enjoying this ZF8 speed Automatic Transmission mated to the 3.6L engine. It is by far (bar none) the best vehicle and daily driver I've ever owned.
Good luck with finding the enlightenment you seek.
In the end, I hope your JL will provide the same enjoyment for you.
Jay
Welcome to the forum, glad you're here.
After reading lots of these types of threads, where someone asks about this or that reliability factor, you are indeed correct in your prediction; expect responses from all over the spectrum. This thread is turning out to be no different.
Instead of jumping right in and providing my feedback, I'd like to ask you a couple of questions as well. How much do you really want a Wrangler? Are you expecting to be persuaded either for or against?
It seems some people buy a JL with some specific up-front expectation and then complain when some part of its delivery doesn't match or meet it.
Wranglers are not cars, they don't drive like your dad's (or grandfather's) Oldsmobile. They're not trucks, they have the towing capacity of a Beatle. They don't perform like go-carts or dragsters and certainly have mileage ratings that any environmentalist will despise to the point of shear anger.
What Wranglers are is something no other vehicle can ever deliver, a go anywhere, do anything, customizable, purely unique vehicle that delivers a little bit of everything plus some stuff only 'you' could dream up.
Still for a lot of people this still isn't enough. They want it to ride like a Cadillac while getting 30+ miles per gallon. They want it to act like a Camry when going for groceries yet be the biggest baddest jalopy in the parking lot.
They want to dream or believe they'll take it far into the wilderness when the furthest they'll take it is to Disney's Wilderness Lodge.
A Wrangler seems to have to satisfy the highest of expectations from people that somehow believe that simply owning one will change their lives and fulfill their adventurist spirit, all by itself. Just add gas and '''poof''' you're suddenly somewhere on the planet no one has ever been before.
Where Wranglers truly shine is what they were designed for: a four wheel drive utility vehicle that will get you to wherever it is YOU point it. On-road, off-road, sleet, snow, sand, mud, rocks, beaches, boulders, mountains.
You can do more in a Wrangler than any other vehicle produced. Take off it's roof, doors, windshield and sway-bar links. Lift it, regear it, winch it, tow it. 4Hi, 4Lo, either locked or unlocked. Doing all of this as if it was designed that way... (of course, it certainly was.)
However, it doesn't do any of these things... You do. How much of it truly acts like a Jeep (or not) is up to you. At the mall or up on a high mountain pass is only up to you and wherever in your heart you want to be. The Wrangler will very dutifully oblige your intentions like nothing else. Even almost exactly stock.
So only you can judge reliability in the context of your own perceptions. Sure, the clutch, and steering-box recalls are egg on FCA's Engineering's face. Fuses, wiring, fit and finish are UAW mess-ups. Spending $50+K should speak volumes in having no issues whatsoever. Especially if correcting such problems require a dealership and corporate experience from hell.
We Jeepers are clearly in an ugly tug-of-war, and your specific reliability experience will depend on many dynamic factors. As with any other automobile, quality is but a fleeting perception when you've acquired a lemon. Be it a Jeep, Lexus or Ferrari. But no other vehicle has the pure unadulterated 'fun' factor available to so many. That in it's own right has value. That is as long as your willing to play and expect your Jeep to be something more than simply ordinary.
No one can set the 'value' of what a Jeep means to you (but you).
For reference, the cluster and Intelligent Battery Sensor (IBS) had to be replaced on my 2019 Sport S with 20K miles. Both very (very) minor inconveniences as compared to the smile on my face whenever I'm piloting it. It takes me to places I may not otherwise ever experience. I'm especially really enjoying this ZF8 speed Automatic Transmission mated to the 3.6L engine. It is by far (bar none) the best vehicle and daily driver I've ever owned.
Good luck with finding the enlightenment you seek.
In the end, I hope your JL will provide the same enjoyment for you.
Jay
Sponsored