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[grimmjeeper]

I mean my state. I don't need to zoom in much more to make my point. And like I said, i'm not concerned about MY situation...I could have an EV if I wanted one. EVs just don't fit my fleet at this time. The point is that a lot of people don't have the options I do.

That's about as close as we'll get to you admitting your characterization of the real world data is incorrect.

I'll take it.

I agree to an extent, when it comes to major cities...but we still have big problems, even there. Congestion is and will be a major issue - it takes far too long to charge at this point in time, which means that having a sufficient amount of chargers for the population density of large cities isn't really physically possible. That will change with better battery tech that can take faster charges but delivering those charges requires infrastructure upgrades that will take decades and haven't even started yet.

So I guess if your metric is "enough chargers for those who currently have EVs", then I can mostly agree. But since we're in a transitional phase and will be for a few decades, I don't really see a lot of utility in that.

So "you're right but I'm going to nit pick details to not admit I was wrong."

Close enough. I accept your surrender.

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[Remorseless]

So "you're right but I'm going to nit pick details to not admit I was wrong."

Wait, I thought it was someone else complaining of pedantism just a second ago...

 

[TheRaven]

That's about as close as we'll get to you admitting your characterization of the real world data is incorrect.

I'll take it.



So "you're right but I'm going to nit pick details to not admit I was wrong."

Close enough. I accept your surrender.

I guess that's one way to do it - just declare victory in a contest your opponent didn't know he was in.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Wait, I thought it was someone else complaining of pedantism just a second ago...

I'm an engineer from a family of engineers. I can be way more pedantic than just about anyone.

 

[grimmjeeper]

I guess that's one way to do it - just declare victory in a contest your opponent didn't know he was in.

Yeah. You "didn't know".

 

[Remorseless]

Yeah. You "didn't know".

Let's not even harp on the fact that declaring himself right and that the other person is nitpicking is his MO in every other conversation anyway.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Let's not even harp on the fact that declaring himself right and that the other person is nitpicking is his MO in every other conversation anyway.

 

[TheRaven]

Yeah. You "didn't know".

I was participating in what seemed like a useful discussion...and then you just...

 

[Zandcwhite]

I mean my state. I don't need to zoom in much more to make my point. And like I said, i'm not concerned about MY situation...I could have an EV if I wanted one (I have in the past). EVs just don't fit my fleet at this time. The point is that a lot of people don't have the options I do.



I agree to an extent, when it comes to major cities...but we still have big problems, even there. Congestion is and will be a major issue - it takes far too long to charge at this point in time, which means that having a sufficient amount of chargers for the population density of large cities isn't really physically possible. That will change with better battery tech that can take faster charges but delivering those charges requires infrastructure upgrades that will take decades and haven't even started yet.

So I guess if your metric is "enough chargers for those who currently have EVs", then I can mostly agree. But since we're in a transitional phase and will be for a few decades, I don't really see a lot of utility in that.

Again, you don't need chargers in rural areas. Everyone has property... and electricity. You definitely don't need "enough chargers" for every EV owner. I know a lot of people who commute in EVs and have never charged anywhere but at home. Why would you if that was an option? Those low population density locations away from major freeways look like a major portion of the country... but nobody lives there and those that do don't live in apartments. The majority of the population absolutely has ready access to charging. The majority of the land mass may not have public chargers within 100 miles but that doesn't even remotely tell the whole story. I agree that EV tech is rapidly advancing, there are prototype solid state batteries pushing model 3 teslas past 700 miles of range. When that becomes the norm, public charges become nearly irrelevant even for roadtrips. So long as I pick a hotel with a charger, odds are I’m not driving over 700 miles per day.

 

[AnnDee4444]

The better gear reduction does come into play in 4 low though, where it's 5.13 manual and 4.71 auto. If you're really creeping, such as without throttle, I wonder where the converter sits at for effective reduction? I can't imagine it's moving fast enough at basically idle to get enough reduction to overcome the manual's reduction in that case.

Why not? Even a relatively small 1.1x ratio increase in 4-low would have a crawl ratio of 5.18:1 on the auto, slightly beating the manual.

Check the dashed line and label on the right-hand side. This likely isn't accurate for 4-low... I suppose it's possible to change the lockup time/amount. But in 2-high multiplication is around 1.3x at 2000 RPM and dramatically increases at lower RPMs.

There's really only one way to tell: dyno log in 4-low. Or get a manual & auto JL to pace each other and start calculating.

Yup and the more unlocked it is (the higher the multiplication ratio) the more inefficient it is...which is ANOTHER reason why stock vehicles converters are designed to reach coupling speed very quickly. As opposed to say, a car built for drag racing that is always "launched" at much higher RPMs. Additionally, those built vehicles need A TON of trans cooling to compensate for all the heat generated during slippage.

Saw this a few days ago... interesting stuff.

dumpsterfire that is the Cybertruck

It's too bad that this is the only thing it will be remembered for. There's some really interesting stuff going on in the Cybertruck that will always get overlooked due to its physical & metaphorical resemblance to a trash can. For example, it's the first production vehicle with a 48V system (no 12V) & steer by wire. Also what really interests me is that the exterior panels are made in a sheet metal brake vs. a giant press for a typical vehicle. I can't think of any other non-military vehicle that was built this way and can only imagine the savings are pretty massive at scale. You could literally have SendCutSend make replacement body panels...

 

[Remorseless]

Why not? Even a relatively small 1.1x ratio increase in 4-low would have a crawl ratio of 5.18:1 on the auto, slightly beating the manual.

Check the dashed line and label on the right-hand side. This likely isn't accurate for 4-low... I suppose it's possible to change the lockup time/amount when in 4-low. But in 2-high multiplication is around 1.3x at 2000 RPM and dramatically increases at lower RPMs.

There's really only one way to tell: dyno log in 4-low. Or get a manual & auto JL to pace each other and start calculating.

That'd be a very slow, but very interesting drag race

 

[grimmjeeper]

Let's not even harp on the fact that declaring himself right and that the other person is nitpicking is his MO in every other conversation anyway.

Thought of another one...

 

[yokramer]

Why not? Even a relatively small 1.1x ratio increase in 4-low would have a crawl ratio of 5.18:1 on the auto, slightly beating the manual.

Check the dashed line and label on the right-hand side. This likely isn't accurate for 4-low... I suppose it's possible to change the lockup time/amount. But in 2-high multiplication is around 1.3x at 2000 RPM and dramatically increases at lower RPMs.

There's really only one way to tell: dyno log in 4-low. Or get a manual & auto JL to pace each other and start calculating.

Saw this a few days ago... interesting stuff.





It's too bad that this is the only thing it will be remembered for. There's some really interesting stuff going on in the Cybertruck that will always get overlooked due to its physical & metaphorical resemblance to a trash can. For example, it's the first production vehicle with a 48V system (no 12V) & steer by wire. Also what really interests me is that the exterior panels are made in a sheet metal brake vs. a giant press for a typical vehicle. I can't think of any other non-military vehicle that was built this way and can only imagine the savings are pretty massive at scale. You could literally have SendCutSend make replacement body panels...

Not the biggest fan of steer by wire, just like Ill never be a big fan of brakes by wire when that eventually becomes a thing.

 

[Remorseless]

Thought of another one...

 

[AnnDee4444]

That'd be a very slow, but very interesting drag race

I was thinking just for recording static speeds... but sure what the hell. WOT in 4-low. YOLO.

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