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[yokramer]

Already being done my friend, already being done. As with all areas of the country that aren't a major city, this stuff takes time and a ton of money.

Still doesnt make EVs universally untenable currently like youre claiming. This is coming from probably one of the bigger Tesla haters out there.

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[Sean L]

Still doesnt make EVs universally untenable currently like youre claiming. This is coming from probably one of the bigger Tesla haters out there.

Curious... Taking Elon Musk out of consideration, would you still be a Tesla Hater?

 

[TheRaven]

I'm curious as to what you would define as a "mature" EV?

Sorry I missed this - it's not something I can objectively define because it almost certainly includes attributes that I don't even know will exist yet. But I can say that a mature EV will be far more reliable, economical, and energy-dense than today's offerings. I say that because I know a lot of what's in the pipeline and also what's possible (and no, jeepingib, that's not something that someone I know who works with EVs told me. That's information that anyone who keeps up with energy generation, storage, and distribution can know about).

Still doesnt make EVs universally untenable currently like youre claiming.

I didn't claim that. Saying that EVs are not an option for everyone is not saying that they are universally useless.

 

[yokramer]

Curious... Taking Elon Musk out of consideration, would you still be a Tesla Hater?

If they were run the same yea. Between the whole dumpsterfire that is the Cybertruck, the promise of "full self driving" on all models that had a specific hardware that clearly couldnt do it, along with awful service/parts/dealer support its a shitshow of a company.

If he wasnt at the head of it it MAY have been run better from the start and yea I would have less issues with them and Im actually a big proponent of the electrification of the majority of vehicles on the road however thats not how its gone.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Ok so you live in one of the most EV-ready places in the country. That would explain your view.

I live in the central valley and commute to the bay area. Charging at home wouldn't be an issue, but the company car and gas card mean I don't need to worry about it. If I were in the market for a commuter it would 100% be an EV. That said, we road trip all over the country, in lifted Jeeps, to go wheeling. Every major exit off every major freeway from here to AL had charging available. Even cross country road trips are doable at this point. For remote camping, the infrastructure isn't there yet in some locations. For the super niche case where you live in an apartment in the middle of nowhere AND commute so you need frequent charging, the infrastructure may not be there (although I still don't know why you'd commute to a low paying job that meant you had to live in an apartment in the middle of nowhere, I'd suggest a career change or hiring on at the local McDonald's so you don't have to drive at all).

 

[TheRaven]

I live in the central valley and commute to the bay area. Charging at home wouldn't be an issue, but the company car and gas card mean I don't need to worry about it. If I were in the market for a commuter it would 100% be an EV. That said, we road trip all over the country, in lifted Jeeps, to go wheeling. Every major exit off every major freeway from here to AL had charging available. Even cross country road trips are doable at this point. For remote camping, the infrastructure isn't there yet in some locations. For the super niche case where you live in an apartment in the middle of nowhere AND commute so you need frequent charging, the infrastructure may not be there (although I still don't know why you'd commute to a low paying job that meant you had to live in an apartment in the middle of nowhere, I'd suggest a career change or hiring on at the local McDonald'sso you don't have to drive at all).

You're still talking about an area of the country that is much further along with EV-preparedness than most. Here in the east it's a very different picture. My drive home includes about 25 minutes on one of PA's larger interstates and I don't pass a single charger. In fact looking at PlugShare, if I were to continue on that interstate, I wouldn't see a public charger for two hours. There is currently TWO sites planned in that span, both will have two chargers.

That's not even getting into the fact that charging still takes really long, which makes "filling up" on your commute not really a doable proposition. Now I DO have the ability to install a level 2 charger at home but not a lot of people have that option.

 

[Sean L]

Sorry I missed this - it's not something I can objectively define because it almost certainly includes attributes that I don't even know will exist yet. But I can say that a mature EV will be far more reliable, economical, and energy-dense than today's offerings. I say that because I know a lot of what's in the pipeline and also what's possible (and no, jeepingib, that's not something that someone I know who works with EVs told me. That's information that anyone who keeps up with energy generation, storage, and distribution can know about).

I guess my takeaway from this would be lighter batteries with the same or better range?

 

[grimmjeeper]

Curious... Taking Elon Musk out of consideration, would you still be a Tesla Hater?

For me, it's less about him.

I don't like the tablet that looks like it has a $10 ebay special mount on an otherwise nice dash. And the fact that there's so many gimmics and gadgets that overcomplicate just using the car as a car. And having to find the right app to do basic things.

And then there are Tesla owners. How do you know someone owns a Tesla? Don't worry. They'll tell you.

 

[TheRaven]

I guess my takeaway from this would be lighter batteries with the same or better range?

A bunch of things - a big one being FAR higher energy density which translates to more power for a given weight (or less weight for a given power level), but also more efficient power conversion and modulation - resulting in more range from the same pack. And then improvements in production that lead to much better quality and cost efficiency. We have a long way to go on all those things.

For me, it's less about him.

I don't like the tablet that looks like it has a $10 ebay special mount on an otherwise nice dash. And the fact that there's so many gimmics and gadgets that overcomplicate just using the car as a car. And having to find the right app to do basic things.

And then there are Tesla owners. How do you know someone owns a Tesla? Don't worry. They'll tell you.

Agreed on all fronts!

 

[yokramer]

For me, it's less about him.

I don't like the tablet that looks like it has a $10 ebay special mount on an otherwise nice dash. And the fact that there's so many gimmics and gadgets that overcomplicate just using the car as a car. And having to find the right app to do basic things.

And then there are Tesla owners. How do you know someone owns a Tesla? Don't worry. They'll tell you.

The thing is that is ALL Elon, he lives for those gimmicks and gadgets.

 

[Sean L]

If they were run the same yea. Between the whole dumpsterfire that is the Cybertruck, the promise of "full self driving" on all models that had a specific hardware that clearly couldnt do it, along with awful service/parts/dealer support its a shitshow of a company.

If he wasnt at the head of it it MAY have been run better from the start and yea I would have less issues with them and Im actually a big proponent of the electrification of the majority of vehicles on the road however thats not how its gone.

Yeah, The only reason I don't like the CyberTruck is just because its ugly... Although there was a time I just thought it was Elon's money losing tax haven.

Not familiar with the others as I don't own a Tesla so I have no experience with it, lol.

 

[yokramer]

You're still talking about an area of the country that is much further along with EV-preparedness than most. Here in the east it's a very different picture. My drive home includes about 25 minutes on one of PA's larger interstates and I don't pass a single charger. In fact looking at PlugShare, if I were to continue on that interstate, I wouldn't see a public charger for two hours. There is currently TWO sites planned in that span, both will have two chargers.

That's not even getting into the fact that charging still takes really long, which makes "filling up" on your commute not really a doable proposition. Now I DO have the ability to install a level 2 charger at home but not a lot of people have that option.

So again not an EV issue its a local infrastructure issue. Compare PA to NC and Im kind of surprised how much better served NC is.

 

[TheRaven]

The thing is that is ALL Elon, he lives for those gimmicks and gadgets.

I think the most fun thing about Elon is that he hasn't actually changed. The guy's always been a crazy egomaniac obsessed with himself. It's great fun to watch those who used to worship him as our savior from climate change now claim they never liked him from the start.

So again not an EV issue its a local infrastructure issue. Compare PA to NC and Im kind of surprised how much better served NC is.

Ok sure but it becomes an EV issue. We can't have large-scale EV adoption without the infrastructure to support them...and we're a very long way from that.

 

[Sean L]

So again not an EV issue its a local infrastructure issue. Compare PA to NC and Im kind of surprised how much better served NC is.

You can almost follow the highways with the green dots in NC.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Yeah, The only reason I don't like the CyberTruck is just because its ugly...

That too. It takes a lot for me to be embarrassed for someone else. That abomination does it.

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