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It's not that the 3.6 makes too much torque but that the 6MT's clutch can't handle enough torque. It slips and gets hot and fractures because the design is stupid and they reduced torque output during certain scenarios to give the clutch a chance to not slip.
What I wouldn't give to know what the constraints were that they had to design the clutch the way they did so that they couldn't pair it with the 2.0. The thing is I know enough about engineering to know that there was probably discussions probably lengthy discussions of that and I would love to have been the fly on the wall to hear them.
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Stock parts are pointless, the v6 makes 400+hp...after you add the supercharger.
I humbly request that you allow me to use a slight variation of this true and correct statement when the exact same comparison of which engine is best same argument starts. After the NA V8 is dropped and if replaced by the T-6. 😊
 

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Yea but rally cars are far from low and probably a similar ride height to a stock newish cherokee.

We ended up doing like a 1.5" lift on our 00 Impreza RS when we ran rally.
Far from low? A 1.5" lifted impreza has...6.5" of ground clearance. Not low compared to most cars, but pretty damn low compared to
most crossovers. Way low compared to even the cherokee at 8.7" of clearance. Even the forester is close stock at 5.9" and it's a station wagon.
 

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What I wouldn't give to know what the constraints were that they had to design the clutch the way they did so that they couldn't pair it with the 2.0. The thing is I know enough about engineering to know that there was probably discussions probably lengthy discussions of that and I would love to have been the fly on the wall to hear them.
Willing to be that discussion was not an engineering discussion at the time. I mean, the 3.6 + 6MT passed engineering muster at launch. Willing to bet the 2.0 + 6MT was nixed prior to launch due to the take rate of manuals in general not being worth the ROI for engineering the manual and 2.0 to work together.
 

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Let's be honest though, high displacement + forced induction is fun and makes bigger numbers than low displacement + forced induction.
 

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For sure. But I'm not going to pretend 3.8 > 3.6 > 2.0
That is the greatest irony for Jeep engines.

Don't forget the 4.0 though. And try to forget the 2.4 and 2.5.
 

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Far from low? A 1.5" lifted impreza has...6.5" of ground clearance. Not low compared to most cars, but pretty damn low compared to
most crossovers. Way low compared to even the cherokee at 8.7" of clearance. Even the forester is close stock at 5.9" and it's a station wagon.
We were ~7" of ground clearance on the 00 RS we raced with the springs and ran hdpe on the bottom cause we would still bottom out over jumps or rough terrain. Most WRC cars are anywhere from 4-9" of ground clearance depending on terrain and stage.
 

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For sure. But I'm not going to pretend 3.8 > 3.6 > 2.0
This is a mis-use of that saying though. The statement is meant to be read as "all other things being equal, there is no replacement for displacement". When you compare the 3.6 to the 2.0, all other things are definitely NOT equal.

The saying has endured because it's true. Comparing very different motors does not change that.
 

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We were ~7" of ground clearance on the 00 RS we raced with the springs and ran hdpe on the bottom cause we would still bottom out over jumps or rough terrain. Most WRC cars are anywhere from 4-9" of ground clearance depending on terrain and stage.
At their highest they are...stock cherokee height. Sure, it's not low for a car but that's low...especially on a JL forum.
 

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This is a mis-use of that saying though. The statement is meant to be read as "all other things being equal, there is no replacement for displacement". When you compare the 3.6 to the 2.0, all other things are definitely NOT equal.

The saying has endured because it's true. Comparing very different motors does not change that.
The difference between the 3.6 with a turbo and the 2.0 with its turbo is that the 2.0's oil pan isn't full of bits that used to be attached to the crank.
 

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The difference between the 3.6 with a turbo and the 2.0 with its turbo is that the 2.0's oil pan isn't full of bits that used to be attached to the crank.
Thats right, the 2.0's oil pan is full of coolant. 😂
 

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Yeah, the 2.0's oil pan is full of coolant. 😂
Nah, the 2.0's coolant leaks out the Y pipe on the driver's side of the block where Jeep forgot how a torque wrench works. It's the 3.6 you're thinking of that eats its own coolant internally.
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