JL Crash Tests

[Smarrtazz]

So here is my story and my viewpoint. I was on a highway at 6 am and an approaching car in the far lane suddenly swerves across two lanes directly in front of me. Barely missed me head-on. Hit my right rear quarter, both of us going 45-50 mph. I started skid, sideways going down mountain and then started to tumble. 2.5 revolutions and ended upside down in center of the road. Jeep had no straight piece of metal on it except the side in the picture. other car demolished, with no front end left on it. I had a concussion from hitting the B pillar with my head, and contusion to shoulder from the same, otherwise no injuries. The police and wrecker crew both said most other vehicles with same accident would have been fatal for me. That is why I insisted on another Jeep. Any car would have rolled in that situation, but few have a roll bar set-up like the Jeep that would protect the occupants as well.

I am glad the JL has side airbags now. That would have saved me from the only injuries I had. I wish they had the option for rear airbags for those that want them (not me because I never have passengers there.) That would be a nice addition. But I consider the JL a safe vehicle. In fact, I am very glad to be in the JL as of yesterday. I feel much safer now than in the little toyota I was renting (a 2018 CHR)

My friend (who rented me the same model toyota CHR) sent me this last week. Similar accident as mine, oncoming car fell asleep this one flipped once. Driver is still in ICU, and may not make it. This car has much better crash test results than a Jeep.

If you look at the NTSB testing, Jeeps don't fare as well as some other vehicles, but if you look at the real world accidents, Jeep do much better than most protecting occupants. Realizing that I live in a real world and not in a crash test, I chose accordingly. Again, I feel much safer driving today than I did yesterday.

Wow! I’m so glad you faired as well as you did. Thanks for your story! That makes me feel even better for my purchase. Here’s hoping that they add rear airbags someday. Enjoy your Jeep.

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[Cov]

So here is my story and my viewpoint. I was on a highway at 6 am and an approaching car in the far lane suddenly swerves across two lanes directly in front of me. Barely missed me head-on. Hit my right rear quarter, both of us going 45-50 mph. I started skid, sideways going down mountain and then started to tumble. 2.5 revolutions and ended upside down in center of the road. Jeep had no straight piece of metal on it except the side in the picture. other car demolished, with no front end left on it. I had a concussion from hitting the B pillar with my head, and contusion to shoulder from the same, otherwise no injuries. The police and wrecker crew both said most other vehicles with same accident would have been fatal for me. That is why I insisted on another Jeep. Any car would have rolled in that situation, but few have a roll bar set-up like the Jeep that would protect the occupants as well.

I am glad the JL has side airbags now. That would have saved me from the only injuries I had. I wish they had the option for rear airbags for those that want them (not me because I never have passengers there.) That would be a nice addition. But I consider the JL a safe vehicle. In fact, I am very glad to be in the JL as of yesterday. I feel much safer now than in the little toyota I was renting (a 2018 CHR)

My friend (who rented me the same model toyota CHR) sent me this last week. Similar accident as mine, oncoming car fell asleep this one flipped once. Driver is still in ICU, and may not make it. This car has much better crash test results than a Jeep.

If you look at the NTSB testing, Jeeps don't fare as well as some other vehicles, but if you look at the real world accidents, Jeep do much better than most protecting occupants. Realizing that I live in a real world and not in a crash test, I chose accordingly. Again, I feel much safer driving today than I did yesterday.

What happened to the other driver? Injuries? Fines? Jail?

 

[Karl_in_Chicago]

Yes they do.

Personally, prefer IIHS as it is more realistic with their offset test and are more thorough.

Here is a good overview:

https://www.autotrader.com/car-info...-the-difference-between-iihs-and-nhtsa-223740

Sorry, as a lifelong motorcyclist and IIHS's (insurance industry funded) continual campaign against motorcycles I think the IIHS can go pound sand. So many of the studies they have done simply haven't held water once exposed to peer review - something they almost never do (for exactly that reason). No, I don't want my choices being influenced by a lobbying body funded by Big Insurance. F*** the IIHS. Just my gentle opinion, of course.

 

[wired]

What happened to the other driver? Injuries? Fines? Jail?

He was pretty banged up but made it. Admitted he fell asleep and was charged. Still not settled

 

[BillyHW]

How informative can n = 1 crash tests on some very specific scenarios be? Is it really possible to extrapolate from these to real world situations that can be very different?

 

[Jeepster2018]

Thanks for sharing your story, glad to survived.

Sure wish your Jeep had side airbags and glad they are standard. Airbags save lives.

Do you have any other pics you can share? What were your wheel size and any specific equipment? Was it a Sport or which trim?

Thanks for sharing....

So here is my story and my viewpoint. I was on a highway at 6 am and an approaching car in the far lane suddenly swerves across two lanes directly in front of me. Barely missed me head-on. Hit my right rear quarter, both of us going 45-50 mph. I started skid, sideways going down mountain and then started to tumble. 2.5 revolutions and ended upside down in center of the road. Jeep had no straight piece of metal on it except the side in the picture. other car demolished, with no front end left on it. I had a concussion from hitting the B pillar with my head, and contusion to shoulder from the same, otherwise no injuries. The police and wrecker crew both said most other vehicles with same accident would have been fatal for me. That is why I insisted on another Jeep. Any car would have rolled in that situation, but few have a roll bar set-up like the Jeep that would protect the occupants as well.

I am glad the JL has side airbags now. That would have saved me from the only injuries I had. I wish they had the option for rear airbags for those that want them (not me because I never have passengers there.) That would be a nice addition. But I consider the JL a safe vehicle. In fact, I am very glad to be in the JL as of yesterday. I feel much safer now than in the little toyota I was renting (a 2018 CHR)

My friend (who rented me the same model toyota CHR) sent me this last week. Similar accident as mine, oncoming car fell asleep this one flipped once. Driver is still in ICU, and may not make it. This car has much better crash test results than a Jeep.

If you look at the NTSB testing, Jeeps don't fare as well as some other vehicles, but if you look at the real world accidents, Jeep do much better than most protecting occupants. Realizing that I live in a real world and not in a crash test, I chose accordingly. Again, I feel much safer driving today than I did yesterday.

 

[Jeepster2018]

Fell sleep? That is pathetic!

Hope you get all your seeking, no excuse for that...

He was pretty banged up but made it. Admitted he fell asleep and was charged. Still not settled

 

[Smarrtazz]

Sorry, as a lifelong motorcyclist and IIHS's (insurance industry funded) continual campaign against motorcycles I think the IIHS can go pound sand. So many of the studies they have done simply haven't held water once exposed to peer review - something they almost never do (for exactly that reason). No, I don't want my choices being influenced by a lobbying body funded by Big Insurance. F*** the IIHS. Just my gentle opinion, of course.

:cwl::cwl: Gentle opinions-I too, have gentle opinions

 

[Jeepster2018]

Agree on side airbags...

JL on side impact alone should be significantly better.

I have yet to find a JK on a Jeep lot with side airbags.

So here is my story and my viewpoint. I was on a highway at 6 am and an approaching car in the far lane suddenly swerves across two lanes directly in front of me. Barely missed me head-on. Hit my right rear quarter, both of us going 45-50 mph. I started skid, sideways going down mountain and then started to tumble. 2.5 revolutions and ended upside down in center of the road. Jeep had no straight piece of metal on it except the side in the picture. other car demolished, with no front end left on it. I had a concussion from hitting the B pillar with my head, and contusion to shoulder from the same, otherwise no injuries. The police and wrecker crew both said most other vehicles with same accident would have been fatal for me. That is why I insisted on another Jeep. Any car would have rolled in that situation, but few have a roll bar set-up like the Jeep that would protect the occupants as well.

I am glad the JL has side airbags now. That would have saved me from the only injuries I had. I wish they had the option for rear airbags for those that want them (not me because I never have passengers there.) That would be a nice addition. But I consider the JL a safe vehicle. In fact, I am very glad to be in the JL as of yesterday. I feel much safer now than in the little toyota I was renting (a 2018 CHR)

My friend (who rented me the same model toyota CHR) sent me this last week. Similar accident as mine, oncoming car fell asleep this one flipped once. Driver is still in ICU, and may not make it. This car has much better crash test results than a Jeep.

If you look at the NTSB testing, Jeeps don't fare as well as some other vehicles, but if you look at the real world accidents, Jeep do much better than most protecting occupants. Realizing that I live in a real world and not in a crash test, I chose accordingly. Again, I feel much safer driving today than I did yesterday.

 

[TIDALWAVE]

"Real" Jeeps didn't have air bags and roll bars or even seat belts, not even a roof. Nanny devices are for Wimps.

 

[wired]

Do you have any other pics you can share? What were your wheel size and any specific equipment? Was it a Sport or which trim?.

It was a 2015 JLU Freedom Edition (sport with some Rubi features and 17" wheels and a few upgrades.) I don't have any other pics handy. Unfortunately the other guy had crappy insurance company and still not settled from mid-September incident.

How informative can n = 1 crash tests on some very specific scenarios be? Is it really possible to extrapolate from these to real world situations that can be very different?

This is a good point. They don't crash 100 of each vehicle in each scenario, it is too expensive. So they standardize the tests as much as possible so they can compare vehicles "fairly". But hitting 2 inches further out could produce vastly different results. So looking at real world data where 1000s of each vehicle crash every year, while not "standardized" is good data.

Finally, personal experience matters. My only other serious accident was driving my wife's mazda 323, 18 years ago and cruising along at 55 mph some lady in oncoming lane just doesn't see me and turns left in front of me right as I approach. Her massive LTD station wagon is dented pretty well on the passenger door. My 323 "crumples" right into the driver. It was a difficult extraction (nothing like looking down and seeing pieces of your tibia sticking out of your lower leg.) Several surgeries later and about 3 months later I can barely walk again (with a lot of aftermarket titanium installed.)
Mass matters. If you hit a completely immovable obstacle it will increase your damage, if you hit another vehicle, the little guy gets most of the hurt. If you consider yourself a pretty safe driver (don't text, drive aware and focused, never impaired, etc) then your likelihood in an accident is hitting another car not a tree or house (because houses and trees are not as stupid as other drivers who do stupid things like fall asleep or just not pay attention and hurt you.) So I will pick my vehicle accordingly and appreciate the "nanny" roll bars and other features that saved my life. If safety is my only concern in a vehicle, I don't pick a wrangler. If safety is my only concern, really I should never get in a vehicle at all. But I want a top down experience, and I want to off road a little. I have much fewer PTSD nightmares driving a jeep, and that makes a difference to me.

 

[Smarrtazz]

It was a 2015 JLU Freedom Edition (sport with some Rubi features and 17" wheels and a few upgrades.) I don't have any other pics handy. Unfortunately the other guy had crappy insurance company and still not settled from mid-September incident.

This is a good point. They don't crash 100 of each vehicle in each scenario, it is too expensive. So they standardize the tests as much as possible so they can compare vehicles "fairly". But hitting 2 inches further out could produce vastly different results. So looking at real world data where 1000s of each vehicle crash every year, while not "standardized" is good data.

Finally, personal experience matters. My only other serious accident was driving my wife's mazda 323, 18 years ago and cruising along at 55 mph some lady in oncoming lane just doesn't see me and turns left in front of me right as I approach. Her massive LTD station wagon is dented pretty well on the passenger door. My 323 "crumples" right into the driver. It was a difficult extraction (nothing like looking down and seeing pieces of your tibia sticking out of your lower leg.) Several surgeries later and about 3 months later I can barely walk again (with a lot of aftermarket titanium installed.)
Mass matters. If you hit a completely immovable obstacle it will increase your damage, if you hit another vehicle, the little guy gets most of the hurt. If you consider yourself a pretty safe driver (don't text, drive aware and focused, never impaired, etc) then your likelihood in an accident is hitting another car not a tree or house (because houses and trees are not as stupid as other drivers who do stupid things like fall asleep or just not pay attention and hurt you.) So I will pick my vehicle accordingly and appreciate the "nanny" roll bars and other features that saved my life. If safety is my only concern in a vehicle, I don't pick a wrangler. If safety is my only concern, really I should never get in a vehicle at all. But I want a top down experience, and I want to off road a little. I have much fewer PTSD nightmares driving a jeep, and that makes a difference to me.

Well said. My eyes bugged out of my head when I read about your previous injuries; again I’m glad you’re okay. I think you made many valid points. My friend has a 2006 JK and she was rear-ended a couple of months ago. The JK took minimal damage, but the Chevy truck was totaled. Mass does matter. Thanks for your reply.

 

[four low]

That big spare tire on the JK acts as a shock absorber too. I was going to remove mine for visibility and weight, then reconsidered the all too common "rear -end" scenario. The improved exoskeleton and standard side air bags are a big deal to me...

 

[BillyHW]

"Real" Jeeps didn't have air bags and roll bars or even seat belts, not even a roof. Nanny devices are for Wimps.

Not only that, but you're not a real Jeeper unless Germans are shooting at you.

 

[Smarrtazz]

Not only that, but you're not a real Jeeper unless Germans are shooting at you.

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