Crash

[tee barry]

I had a new 91 forerunner, so this would have been in 1991. I was sitting dead still for probably 20 minutes waiting on a train - many cars ahead of me, behind me was a pickup and toyota car. The toyota car was in neutral with parking brake on, the pickup was in park and I was in park. A full size cadillac plowed into the toyota car which was pushed into the pickup which was pushed into me, and damn near pushed me into the car in front of me. The cadillac owner and his insurance paid for damage to all vehicles. Who in hell knows how fast the cadillac was going at impact. This was in Texas.
The cadillac owners insurance tried to get by with paying for the toyota car which was totaled, and pushed to have the toyota car pay for pickup damage and pickup pay for my damage, but they lost out on that stupid ploy. I am surprised he had that much insurance as we all got paid - I know this because this was on a road going into my place of work and I worked with all involved.

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[Whaler27]

I've seen this happen a lot and I don't think there is much to fight, unfortunately. This is why I always have a pretty big gap in front of me. Even if the person rammed you and you flew and hit the person in front, it's still on you. Which is stupid.

This is definitely NOT the law in Oregon and most other states. A vehicle that is lawfully stopped in compliance with a traffic control device is absolutely and unequivocally NOT responsible for damages resulting from being struck from behind. The gap between the OP and the vehicle in front of him is irrelevant.

 

[Maverick909]

gesh thats crazy, a ticket for sitting still and getting blasted from behind. WOW . as long as you can see the tires of the vehicle in front of you touches the ground that's the proper stopping point per the DMV driving test in the state of Crapufornia. also when following behind a vehicle for Every 10mphyou add one car length between you and the vehicle in front of you. IE 60MPH is Minimum 6 car lengths behind or it is considered un safe. now No one follows that rule at all

 

[Whaler27]

...60MPH is Minimum 6 car lengths behind or it is considered unsafe. now No one follows that rule at all

Here’s the rule I always share: 55 mph is 80 feet per second. Most folks won’t react to brake lights in under half a second, and many are distracted and won’t depress the brake for a second or more. Based on the following distances I see on a daily basis, most Californians follow at 2 to 3 car lengths at 75+mph, so they are crashing a lot. Oregon now averages about 40,000 crashes per year. The number has climbed sharply in recent years, in spite of many lifesaving improvements in vehicles, because people are impaired, distracted and increasingly aggressive.

Thank goodness Oregon citizens just voted to decriminalize all drugs (including heroin, LSD, cocaine, meth, and most other illegal drugs you can think of.) The citizens also defunded the schools and highway patrol (by taking a principal revenue source away to pay for more drug treatment (which we’re undoubtedly going to need), so we got THAT goin for us. (Drug treatment was already generously funded compared with most states.) So send us all your drug abuse problems. They have a home in Portland.

And drive carefully if you visit our little piece of the Twilight Zone. It’s more dangerous all the time.

 

[Neanderthalman]

This is definitely NOT the law in Oregon and most other states. A vehicle that is lawfully stopped in compliance with a traffic control device is absolutely and unequivocally NOT responsible for damages resulting from being struck from behind. The gap between the OP and the vehicle in front of him is irrelevant.

Very similar here in Ontario. We have a specific regulation for assigning fault in an accident and this is what's called an A-B-C accident. Car A hits car B from behind, pushing it into car C.

There's actually two kinds of A-B-C accidents and it depends on whether or not car B, in the middle, was fully stopped when struck from behind.

If B was fully stopped prior to the collision, then car A is fully at fault for all damages to all three vehicles.

If B was in motion when struck, then car A is responsible for all damages to their own vehicle and to the rear of car B. Car B is then responsible for the damages to the front of car B and the rear of car A.

Moral of the story - if you are ever car B, then at the time of collision you were stoppED - never stoppING. If the jackass in car A slammed on the brakes in front of you, and you are skidding up from behind when hit by car C....no..no no...listen to me - you had stoppED just short of car A, then were struck. Understand me?

 

[sf5211]

Very similar here in Ontario. We have a specific regulation for assigning fault in an accident and this is what's called an A-B-C accident. Car A hits car B from behind, pushing it into car C.

There's actually two kinds of A-B-C accidents and it depends on whether or not car B, in the middle, was fully stopped when struck from behind.

If B was fully stopped prior to the collision, then car A is fully at fault for all damages to all three vehicles.

If B was in motion when struck, then car A is responsible for all damages to their own vehicle and to the rear of car B. Car B is then responsible for the damages to the front of car B and the rear of car A.

Moral of the story - if you are ever car B, then at the time of collision you were stoppED - never stoppING. If the jackass in car A slammed on the brakes in front of you, and you are skidding up from behind when hit by car C....no..no no...listen to me - you had stoppED just short of car A, then were struck. Understand me?

I hear what your saying however the computers in vehicles these days will actually tell an investigator if you were applying your brakes at the time of impact.
In my Isuzu work truck I’ve seen the “vehicle health report” when in for service. That freakin computer records EVERYTHING!
When I drove 18 wheelers in the 80’s there was a coworker who always had road rage. I remember him saying once “if somebody does something stupid in front of me and I know it’s inevitable I’m gonna hit em. I’m gonna floor the gas at the last second “!
If you did that today with these computers, you’d wind up with murder charges.

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