Has it Happened

[AndySpill]

This was my response i was typing replying to the thread that got shut down.

just like in real life there are some people who you don't want to hang out with....100% I would wheel with Terrymo based on his forum replies (forum personality nuance.)...he can give and take shit and would fit my group.....guys like Andyspill nah I would have no interest in meeting him based on his replies...not meant to be a dig or insult to Andy in any way just a fact based on his forum personality nuance...

Pick your friends Jeff, I'll pick mine.

I must say, it's ironic for me that you have an issue with my replies, when you're replying here to another thread that got shut down (not be me) that moderators clearly wanted no further comment on, but in an act of the very "self restraint" (not) you'd prefer to see in me, you thought you'd add your 2 cents here on that closed thread just the same.

For me the hypocrisy is so huge I don't have the tools to cut thru it. And sadly, if the cost of my friendship with you is laughing at some off topic, off color pictures, okay, but too expensive for me.

Humor, even non-offensive? This forum's former king (rhinebeck01) had some choice private messages about that for me, so I guess "you can't please everyone."

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This was my opening "salvo" (not). My long "nuclear bomb" (not) of a post. Strap in:

" Curious, has anyone heard of or experienced a dealership denying service on a factory dual AGM battery JL simply because the owner presented the vehicle with a disconnected Aux battery and Fuse 42 setup (or, effectively the same thing, a fused jumper from N1 to N2 in the PDC)? TIA "

In most worlds this would be the most harmless "yes or "no" question you could imagine. Just a guy asking if people have been turned away from dealers because of this. Relevant? Sure.

Was I the one that initiated asshole responses to my own OP (no)?

Plenty of people who did this bypass, of which I am not one, now have old Aux batteries that won't take charge, so putting things back to factory before service isn't exactly an option: that Aux paradoxically enough, potentially destroying the main battery as a result of restoring things to "factory" and creating a service issue as a product of putting things back in anticipation of (wait for it) the initial service issue reason they went into the dealer for in the first place.

And sorry, but sometimes, for some fixes, you just have to visit a dealer, not your trusted mechanic.

A fair number of people here asked reasonable questions and even challenged me and got reasonable answers. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/has-it-happened.154662/post-3195530 A fair number of private messages commiserated with why such a benign question would stir up such "douchosity" in others.

I have a follow up question for the masses Jeff, sure to still up the emotions.

"Do people prefer driving their Wranglers at night or during the day?"

Everyone take out their flame throwers.

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[Dyolfknip74]

Pick your friends Jeff, I'll pick mine.

I must say, it's ironic for me that you have an issue with my replies, when you're replying here to another thread that got shut down (not be me) that moderators clearly wanted no further comment on, but in an act of the very "self restraint" (not) you'd prefer to see in me, you thought you'd add your 2 cents here on that closed thread just the same.

For me the hypocrisy is so huge I don't have the tools to cut thru it. And sadly, if the cost of my friendship with you is laughing at some off topic, off color pictures, okay, but too expensive for me.

Humor, even non-offensive? This forum's former king (rhinebeck01) had some choice private messages about that for me, so I guess "you can't please everyone."

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This was my opening "salvo" (not). My long "nuclear bomb" (not) of a post. Strap in:

" Curious, has anyone heard of or experienced a dealership denying service on a factory dual AGM battery JL simply because the owner presented the vehicle with a disconnected Aux battery and Fuse 42 setup (or, effectively the same thing, a fused jumper from N1 to N2 in the PDC)? TIA "

In most worlds this would be the most harmless "yes or "no" question you could imagine. Just a guy asking if people have been turned away from dealers because of this. Relevant? Sure.

Was I the one that initiated asshole responses to my own OP (no)?

Plenty of people who did this bypass, of which I am not one, now have old Aux batteries that won't take charge, so putting things back to factory before service isn't exactly an option: that Aux paradoxically enough, potentially destroying the main battery as a result of restoring things to "factory" and creating a service issue as a product of putting things back in anticipation of (wait for it) the initial service issue reason they went into the dealer for in the first place.

And sorry, but sometimes, for some fixes, you just have to visit a dealer, not your trusted mechanic.

A fair number of people here asked reasonable questions and even challenged me and got reasonable answers. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/has-it-happened.154662/post-3195530 A fair number of private messages commiserated with why such a benign question would stir up such "douchosity" in others.

I have a follow up question for the masses Jeff, sure to still up the emotions.

"Do people prefer driving their Wranglers at night or during the day?"

Everyone take out their flame throwers.

Christ, I bet you're a blast at parties.

 

[mwilk012]

Pick your friends Jeff, I'll pick mine.

I must say, it's ironic for me that you have an issue with my replies, when you're replying here to another thread that got shut down (not be me) that moderators clearly wanted no further comment on, but in an act of the very "self restraint" (not) you'd prefer to see in me, you thought you'd add your 2 cents here on that closed thread just the same.

For me the hypocrisy is so huge I don't have the tools to cut thru it. And sadly, if the cost of my friendship with you is laughing at some off topic, off color pictures, okay, but too expensive for me.

Humor, even non-offensive? This forum's former king (rhinebeck01) had some choice private messages about that for me, so I guess "you can't please everyone."

~~~~~~

This was my opening "salvo" (not). My long "nuclear bomb" (not) of a post. Strap in:

" Curious, has anyone heard of or experienced a dealership denying service on a factory dual AGM battery JL simply because the owner presented the vehicle with a disconnected Aux battery and Fuse 42 setup (or, effectively the same thing, a fused jumper from N1 to N2 in the PDC)? TIA "

In most worlds this would be the most harmless "yes or "no" question you could imagine. Just a guy asking if people have been turned away from dealers because of this. Relevant? Sure.

Was I the one that initiated asshole responses to my own OP (no)?

Plenty of people who did this bypass, of which I am not one, now have old Aux batteries that won't take charge, so putting things back to factory before service isn't exactly an option: that Aux paradoxically enough, potentially destroying the main battery as a result of restoring things to "factory" and creating a service issue as a product of putting things back in anticipation of (wait for it) the initial service issue reason they went into the dealer for in the first place.

And sorry, but sometimes, for some fixes, you just have to visit a dealer, not your trusted mechanic.

A fair number of people here asked reasonable questions and even challenged me and got reasonable answers. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/has-it-happened.154662/post-3195530 A fair number of private messages commiserated with why such a benign question would stir up such "douchosity" in others.

I have a follow up question for the masses Jeff, sure to still up the emotions.

"Do people prefer driving their Wranglers at night or during the day?"

Everyone take out their flame throwers.

Have you ever added anything of value here?

 

[DaltonGang]

Pick your friends Jeff, I'll pick mine.

I must say, it's ironic for me that you have an issue with my replies, when you're replying here to another thread that got shut down (not be me) that moderators clearly wanted no further comment on, but in an act of the very "self restraint" (not) you'd prefer to see in me, you thought you'd add your 2 cents here on that closed thread just the same.

For me the hypocrisy is so huge I don't have the tools to cut thru it. And sadly, if the cost of my friendship with you is laughing at some off topic, off color pictures, okay, but too expensive for me.

Humor, even non-offensive? This forum's former king (rhinebeck01) had some choice private messages about that for me, so I guess "you can't please everyone."

~~~~~~

This was my opening "salvo" (not). My long "nuclear bomb" (not) of a post. Strap in:

" Curious, has anyone heard of or experienced a dealership denying service on a factory dual AGM battery JL simply because the owner presented the vehicle with a disconnected Aux battery and Fuse 42 setup (or, effectively the same thing, a fused jumper from N1 to N2 in the PDC)? TIA "

In most worlds this would be the most harmless "yes or "no" question you could imagine. Just a guy asking if people have been turned away from dealers because of this. Relevant? Sure.

Was I the one that initiated asshole responses to my own OP (no)?

Plenty of people who did this bypass, of which I am not one, now have old Aux batteries that won't take charge, so putting things back to factory before service isn't exactly an option: that Aux paradoxically enough, potentially destroying the main battery as a result of restoring things to "factory" and creating a service issue as a product of putting things back in anticipation of (wait for it) the initial service issue reason they went into the dealer for in the first place.

And sorry, but sometimes, for some fixes, you just have to visit a dealer, not your trusted mechanic.

A fair number of people here asked reasonable questions and even challenged me and got reasonable answers. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/has-it-happened.154662/post-3195530 A fair number of private messages commiserated with why such a benign question would stir up such "douchosity" in others.

I have a follow up question for the masses Jeff, sure to still up the emotions.

"Do people prefer driving their Wranglers at night or during the day?"

Everyone take out their flame throwers.

https://sl.bing.net/djE24E70YXk

 

[DaltonGang]

This thread:

 

[AndySpill]

Have you ever added anything of value here?

Do you mean this thread? Sure. I said " If you do this to your jeep you should never expect anyone else to work on it. "

Oh wait, that was you. And it was stupid and false. You equated yanking a cable and fuse with swapping AGM batteries for a tiny fission power plant. Clearly you don't know jack about the modification or its non-existent electrical implications or your wouldn't have said that. Arrogance and ignorance: the perfect package. Do you know what Fuse 42 does? Do you know what the Power Control Relay (PCR) is and how only Fuse 42 effects it, or what it does? I ask because anyone who understands this mod would think it absurd for a mechanic to deny service because of it.

"Never expect anyone to work on it.....?" I'm waiting to hear from the people here, who seem to be able to fit inside a phone both, reporting that the dealer or anyone denied them service because of this change.

This change has been around (albeit with an N1 to N2 fused jumper first, a fuse 42 pull later) since 2018. There's not a single post here with people reporting problems (the exception being those so few with a dying main battery that, just priot connected to the Aux, just had enough power to cold crank that they no longer have: rare) or being denied service, and you wanna bet if such gripes existed they'd be posted here?

But rather than be an arrogant arse, even though I was pretty sure what my answer was, I asked if anyone had heard of such a situation. Shame on me.

Reconcile for me how your opinion fails to find a single person reporting denial of service? And why should they? ...because they improved reliability of the main battery by unpairing it with a potentially cannibalistic Aux in parallel?

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Better, let me respond seriously. Yes. I think I have added value here. I think I've helped people understand that if they effect this change, which everyone not running ESS IMHO should do, that they don't have to have trepidation over it effecting their ability for service, even if they don't repair the batteries first....except maybe at your shop (lol).

Do you know how many times people have posted here with fear of making this change for that very reason (lots)? I'd like to think the next time someone posts this fear (probably sometime this week) that this thread could be linked.

Here I was thinking I would help other people with an answer, not myself, running dual batteries. I'm not some guy with confirmational bias here. I haven't done this modification.

I have to laugh, "never expect anyone else to work on it." Your opinion is akin to someone changing the color of the circles around the analog dials with some Amazon purchase and getting denied death wobble service.

You want to critique ideas: fine. At least have some idea of what the heck the change in question does or doesn't do. Study first, https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/3-6l-ess-dual-battery-consolidated-information.25377/ then you can sit at the big boy table.

Now run along and put hate icons on other's post to me. To actual respond with words/facts: you got none.

 

[AndySpill]

Christ, I bet you're a blast at parties.

People, at least not sober ones, tend to not act like the douches that anonymity protects them with here, at gatherings where they're face to face with someone, fearful their comments may earn them a black eye.

Accordingly, there's nothing to defend.

 

[THAW]

OP at the "Big Boy Table":

 

[Terrymo]

OP at the "Big Boy Table":

 

[mwilk012]

People, at least not sober ones, tend to not act like the douches that anonymity protects them with here, at gatherings where they're face to face with someone, fearful their comments may earn them a black eye.

Accordingly, there's nothing to defend.

I freely tell bigger men than you exactly where they can shove it on a regular basis.

Threatening violence, the hallmark of the idiot.

 

[siggy]

Siggy, I respectfully disagree with both the likely outcome and analogy. I think most dealers would neither deny warranty or fee for service coverage for this battery bypass

Let me offer you an analogy you can disagree with if you like but I think more on point.

You have a clearly defective tire (an ESS system that works poorly and you don't use). You change it out for the spare, drive into the dealer, and get turned down for that bad tire's replacement because you "modified things."

Do know that I clearly agree with you though that owners should be denied service for a death wobble unless it can be reproduced in the vehicle's stock and un-lifted state.

Terrible analogy. It’s not sinking in. This is a pretty straightforward case. You’re bringing (or brought and grasping for straws) something that did NOT come from the factory to the dealership to fix. You want a new battery under warranty, said “bad” battery has clearly been altered from its factory state, dealer says to take a hike. But if the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is a hill you want to die on, good luck. Now if you brought it in for death wobble, they likely won’t care what you did to your batteries. You’re continuing to embarrass yourself.

 

[Balibe]

You’re continuing to embarrass yourself.

+1

The dealer does not deny a warranty claim, Jeep does. The dealer is reimbursed from Jeep for parts and allotted labor for a warranty repair. The dealer only cares who is paying them for the work as they do not work for free. This can be you the owner or Jeep (under warranty).

You clearly modified the factory battery/electrical system while under warranty. Accept the circumstances, bite the bullet and pay for the issue. No need to attack every person that responds in this thread. The people posting did not tell you to modify your Jeep and void a warranty.

 

[DaltonGang]

I will say, @AndySpill , bypassing my Aux Battery was one of the best things I have done to my JL, and switching to 5w-30 weight oil.

 

[Wabujitsu]

It's very good, but, sigh, it requires words, just like I did.

But DOES IT require words? Let’s try drawing a simple drawing:

 

[Terrymo]

But DOES IT require words? Let’s try drawing a simple picture:

I mean anyone who says they’re here for the articles and not the pictures is probably lying.

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