Exact Center Stabilizer

[Jeep&dogs]

I sent Tony at piwcorp an order for a 110# purely off @Roky 's recommendation and threads like these. The other thread is extremely difficult to follow but I read through it.

@RubiRob I felt the same way but at this point I've replaced almost everything under there and still have a shimmy/*bump steer that's driving me crazy.

I can say I had the exact shimmy and probably spent 10k chasing it and replacing just about everything, some things twice. This finally stopped it.

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[KNN]

I can say I had the exact shimmy and probably spent 10k chasing it and replacing just about everything, some things twice. This finally stopped it.

I really hope so. I’ve kept up w/ your other thread about finally getting relief after 3 steering boxes. That’s what I dread most as I can’t stand the idea of going to the dealership for anything.

 

[Exact Center]

For all wives that think the JL Wrangler can't drive like a high-end SUV's Here we tell you "it can", and here is what will make it drive like that high-end SUV

An open letter describing PIWcorp Exact Center program

2/23/2022 There are small changes, a new 80lb base option replaces the 66.46lb previously offered, If you are a new user and want to do a 7 day trial we will need to run your credit card, but if decide the Exact Center is not for you on return of EC without damage we will issue a 100% refund and we will pay all shipping.
Monday 2/28/2022 the charging of the new higher pressure units should begin.


2/21/2022, Testing is complete we will start the Exact Center Program.
Any Exact Center present owner is eligible for the exchange program
The Exchange program is for any forum member or other who has purchased an Exact Center and wants a different pressure. We will give you a one-time new replacement at zero cost and we will pay all shipping cost
The trial program will start in 14 days or when we have the stock you want to try. The trial is 7 day free trial of any size offered with any bracket in stock if needed. New product trial users will get the 10% Forum discount, those trying a previously used EC will get a 25% discount. All units will be covered by Roadmaster Lifetime limited warranty. Those who do not have a Roadmaster Exact Center and want to do a trial will be asked to give shipping and credit card info, we will do an invoice and run your card, but if you find you do not want to keep the Exact Center after your trial then on return of your unit undamaged we will issue a 100% credit. We will pay UPS shipping both ways.
We now have the 3 pressures. and a special order option. Sales now and all returns will go through PIWcorp in Gaylord, Michigan do contact Tony at this new email [email protected] 1-989-448-2501 office phone at PIWcorp 1492 Orourke Blvd Gaylord, Michigan 49735
Roadmaster will sell products, but will not do returns or exchanges only PIWcorp can do anything after the sale. For EC sizing and applications you can get more information by contacting Tony’s email [email protected] call 1-989-448-2501 before you order. We will guide you through your purchase so you pick the EC that will fit you now and later.
The four Exact Center models to consider
#1 80lbs is for Wrangler owners who have non-Rubicon JL’s without oversize tires or other front-end modifications. If you tow or plan to tow your JL as a dingy 4-down do not select this option. We want you to understand this lighter unit can work well on the non-modified JLs, but if you have any known Death Wobble history you should not select this lighter unit. However, if you buy the 80lb unit and do develop Death Wobble you will be eligible for a one-time free upgrade at no cost for #2 110 lbs.
#2 110 lbs This is for everyone that has a JL Wrangler even with mods and those who want to do RV backing 4-down. This buyer if this is his first purchase can do one free trade up for a #3 140 lbs or trade down for #1 80lb
#3 140 lbs This is for very serious JL owners but will work for most all JLs. including RV backing If you are serious about doing mods in the future maybe buy #3 understanding, you can move down one time.
#4 Special order at $420 -10% forum discount plus $150.00 in the pressure of your choice, this could be any pressure between 110 lbs and 500 lbs. (RM will verify minimum and maximum they can do) there will be no trading program for special order buyers
PIWcorp 1-989-448-2501 [email protected]

 

[JOHN D SHEPHERD]

John, can I send my uninstalled stabilizer to you guys for a higher pressure one? I haven’t found out for sure but I imagine it’s the #75.

You can have a different EC free exchange
We will ship new in your choice of pressure and give you a free mailer to return yours
Email [email protected]
1-989-448-2501
If this is old sorry

 

[KNN]

I emailed Tony. I don’t understand the difference between paid orders and “trial” orders but will wait until this is all sorted out.

 

[Exact Center]

I emailed Tony. I don’t understand the difference between paid orders and “trial” orders but will wait until this is all sorted out.

Tony will see this soon he will be in touch with answer, he is handling all the orders. You will be happy when it is all worked out.
We do have a guy in CA with a big mod who said EC showed him how bad his steering box was. He is using his rig so I do not know what that means maybe Tony does.

 

[Exact Center]

Tony will see this soon he will be in touch with answer, he is handling all the orders. You will be happy when it is all worked out.
We do have a guy in CA with a big mod who said EC showed him how bad his steering box was. He is using his rig so I do not know what that means maybe Tony does.

Email [email protected] with questions on the best fit for your rig.
call Tony 1-989-448-2501 PIWcorp Gaylord, Michigan Home of the Inventor of EC

IMO , there’s no device out there including this one, that’s gonna defeat the crown in the road. With my fox I had to hold the wheel cocked slightly to combat it. With the EC you correct less often but you do correct.

I explained this to John about the higher pressure units like I’m running now, if you have to hold the steering wheel off center for any length of time, like in a long sweeping curve or even on a off camber two track trail, etc… you’ll feel it, and possibly get fatigued.

I recommend that you get the 75 or 110, if you’re a 90 percent DD. Don’t think that more is better, it is in certain situations like 37s and bigger tires, but you should get the right EC for your particular needs.

This isn’t a silver bullet here, not a miracle worker, but for me the pros out weigh the cons by a long shot, and that’s why I choose to run it.

Roky
We can give you a patented device that allows you to adjust from drivers seat for a crown or high winds. Adds about 3 inches to length and some mass on one end. The RV people who like to show off to friends will want this, but I thought Jeep people just wanted to run over stuff and they probably would not be interested. However I did need to correct you we do have a device that will allow the center to move and then the EC will hold the load of the steering for you. It is a BS thing I added to TruCenter for BlueOx so they had something to sell Safety Plus did not. It also makes setting exact center a 2 second push.
Check this from a forum. Our new one is better and small
A RVer comments
I am considering a steering stabilizer for my new 2016 Georgetown XL 352QS. The choice:

1 - SafeT Plus cost around $600 for DIY
2 - Blue Ox TruCenter Steering Stabilizer cost around $1200 DIY.

The advantage of the Blue Ox TruCenter Steering Stabilizer is the benefit seems to be better since we could set/adjust the TruCenter on the fly as needed, but the cost for that advance system is twice as much as the SafeT Plus, while the SafeT Plus requires extensive adjustment at installation time to ensure the true center alignment, but then if the condition change drastically such as high wind the SafeT Plus may not be as effective.

It was a big selling point for that audience

 

[Roky]

Email [email protected] with questions on the best fit for your rig.
call Tony 1-989-448-2501 PIWcorp Gaylord, Michigan Home of the Inventor of EC

Roky
We can give you a patented device that allows you to adjust from drivers seat for a crown or high winds. Adds about 3 inches to length and some mass on one end. The RV people who like to show off to friends will want this, but I thought Jeep people just wanted to run over stuff and they probably would not be interested. However I did need to correct you we do have a device that will allow the center to move and then the EC will hold the load of the steering for you. It is a BS thing I added to TruCenter for BlueOx so they had something to sell Safety Plus did not. It also makes setting exact center a 2 second push.
Check this from a forum. Our new one is better and small
A RVer comments
I am considering a steering stabilizer for my new 2016 Georgetown XL 352QS. The choice:

1 - SafeT Plus cost around $600 for DIY
2 - Blue Ox TruCenter Steering Stabilizer cost around $1200 DIY.

The advantage of the Blue Ox TruCenter Steering Stabilizer is the benefit seems to be better since we could set/adjust the TruCenter on the fly as needed, but the cost for that advance system is twice as much as the SafeT Plus, while the SafeT Plus requires extensive adjustment at installation time to ensure the true center alignment, but then if the condition change drastically such as high wind the SafeT Plus may not be as effective.

It was a big selling point for that audience

Thanks John, but I can’t afford to go any longer, due to clearances for what I do with my rig. That’s not something I’d be interested in any way, I love the set it and forget it way I have it.

This is an awesome devise that you invented, and I’m enjoying it, and I appreciate you having me test for you.

But I’m not one for buttons and gimmicks and such……. This is working great as is. The only thing I might do is try a 150 fill at some point, but other than that, I plan on wearing this thing out……

 

[RubiRob]

Damn @Roky does that mean I shouldn’t have ordered the 140 variant? Paid for it yesterday so I’ll have some feedback as well. I’m hyper critical with this stuff so we will see how it turns out.

 

[Exact Center]

Thanks John, but I can’t afford to go any longer, due to clearances for what I do with my rig. That’s not something I’d be interested in any way, I love the set it and forget it way I have it.

This is an awesome devise that you invented, and I’m enjoying it, and I appreciate you having me test for you.

But I’m not one for buttons and gimmicks and such……. This is working great as is. The only thing I might do is try a 150 fill at some point, but other than that, I plan on wearing this thing out……

I agree even on my Super C RV I recentered twice just because I could and then drove 15000 miles and never touched it again. I found higher pressure 330 lbs just about canceled the wind without recentering. Crowns are a talking point and are not real for more than a couple miles. I do like the ability to push a button to center on install, but I see little to no value after that. My 130 seems perfect, but I have 110, 140, 160, and 180 to find out what is too big. We will do the same on Tony's TJ that now has 66lb. There we will try 110 and if that is OK (we think it will be as we have gone even bigger on his MJ) then we will go 140 and up if we think it can handle the extra pressure. Your CA friend should now have his 3 heavier units.

 

[Roky]

Damn @Roky does that mean I shouldn’t have ordered the 140 variant? Paid for it yesterday so I’ll have some feedback as well. I’m hyper critical with this stuff so we will see how it turns out.

Nah…. Your good, mine is actually 130, this is just me looking over the fence. You’ll love what your getting…….

 

[treesmacker]

I agree even on my Super C RV I recentered twice just because I could and then drove 15000 miles and never touched it again. I found higher pressure 330 lbs just about canceled the wind without recentering. Crowns are a talking point and are not real for more than a couple miles. I do like the ability to push a button to center on install, but I see little to no value after that. My 130 seems perfect, but I have 110, 140, 160, and 180 to find out what is too big. We will do the same on Tony's TJ that now has 66lb. There we will try 110 and if that is OK (we think it will be as we have gone even bigger on his MJ) then we will go 140 and up if we think it can handle the extra pressure. Your CA friend should now have his 3 heavier units.

John, I'm looking forward to the release of exact center for my class A RV. With what you've just said, I would think there is no need for the push button adjustment. I assume the button would be installed somewhere on the dash, would considerably complicate the installation, would add cost, and would maybe impact reliability.

 

[Exact Center]

John, I'm looking forward to the release of exact center for my class A RV. With what you've just said, I would think there is no need for the push button adjustment. I assume the button would be installed somewhere on the dash, would considerably complicate the installation, would add cost, and would maybe impact reliability.

TreeSmacker
You are right on all points. It is a show off thing much more than a real need. In my years of RV driving I only remember one time when it would have made life better. I-80 East bound for 700 miles with forever blowing wind to the south. There I would have adjusted. However if you had what I have learned on bigger 30000 GVWR RV's having a stronger EC 330 lbs made the wind go away. In 15000 miles with the trim on the fly driving I never changed it. The higher pressure disappears due to the massive power steering on the bigger rigs so the steering is still one finger if you want, but the pressure makes the wind go away. 130 on my JL stops the wind. Last week end we saw over 30 mph side winds and maybe some 40 mph on the Mackinaw Bridge. I felt the wind, but noting required a steering adjustment. The RV can be the same. Even the Ford F-53 gas class A has a real truck front axle and massive steering so I think it can support well over 200 lbs maybe 250 or 300 lbs. RM is doing a F-53 with a 225lb EC test soon. The owner of Roadmaster once said why not just go bigger as the power steering hides the pressure, I am convinced he is right. Until Roadmaster got their filling gas station I never had this option. I tell the members of this forum they are designing the device with their comments. This is taking longer than I wanted, but we are now ready to give Wrangler owners a driving experience even high end SUV owners can not touch. It will be that good. RV will be the same.

 

[Exact Center]

TreeSmacker
You are right on all points. It is a show off thing much more than a real need. In my years of RV driving I only remember one time when it would have made life better. I-80 East bound for 700 miles with forever blowing wind to the south. There I would have adjusted. However if you had what I have learned on bigger 30000 GVWR RV's having a stronger EC 330 lbs made the wind go away. In 15000 miles with the trim on the fly driving I never changed it. The higher pressure disappears due to the massive power steering on the bigger rigs so the steering is still one finger if you want, but the pressure makes the wind go away. 130 on my JL stops the wind. Last week end we saw over 30 mph side winds and maybe some 40 mph on the Mackinaw Bridge. I felt the wind, but noting required a steering adjustment. The RV can be the same. Even the Ford F-53 gas class A has a real truck front axle and massive steering so I think it can support well over 200 lbs maybe 250 or 300 lbs. RM is doing a F-53 with a 225lb EC test soon. The owner of Roadmaster once said why not just go bigger as the power steering hides the pressure, I am convinced he is right. Until Roadmaster got their filling gas station I never had this option. I tell the members of this forum they are designing the device with their comments. This is taking longer than I wanted, but we are now ready to give Wrangler owners a driving experience even high end SUV owners can not touch. It will be that good. RV will be the same.

Of note Blue Ox True Center was 270 lbs biggest unit they offered, Safety Plus is less maybe 250 and Roadmaster did offer a 250 lb unit. The coil spring units cannot approach the pressures we can make. In a coil spring unit each inch of compression adds to the pressure 6 inches on a class A means Safety plus is over 1500 lbs Roadmaster is the same, BlueOx TruCenter was a gas spring so it gained 40% maybe 378 lbs total and at 330 lbs a EC might be 460 lbs. That is a lot, but not anything compared to the spring units. I will get you a good fit when you are ready. Email me all your RV info model gvwr engine chassis, or just brand and model I can search to get the rest.

 

[treesmacker]

Of note Blue Ox True Center was 270 lbs biggest unit they offered, Safety Plus is less maybe 250 and Roadmaster did offer a 250 lb unit. The coil spring units cannot approach the pressures we can make. In a coil spring unit each inch of compression adds to the pressure 6 inches on a class A means Safety plus is over 1500 lbs Roadmaster is the same, BlueOx TruCenter was a gas spring so it gained 40% maybe 378 lbs total and at 330 lbs a EC might be 460 lbs. That is a lot, but not anything compared to the spring units. I will get you a good fit when you are ready. Email me all your RV info model gvwr engine chassis, or just brand and model I can search to get the rest.

That sounds great John. My Class A is on the new F53 chassis with the 7.3L V8 (2020 built chassis). I'll eMail details to you.

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