Dependabilty of E-Torque

[rcr1340]

Have there been alot of problems with E-Torque? What happens if it quits working? It replaces the alternator so does everything shut down like when an alternator goes bad (I know it would goto battery power then)? They took it off the 2.0 and added to 3.6l. Has anyone driven the 3.6 with E-Torque and one without? Can you tell the difference?

 

[aldo98229]

From what I’ve gathered reading on various JL forums, eTorque does primarily two things:

1. It smoothens out the start of the ESS
2. One benefit that is much less reported but much more significant IMO, is the eTorque helps you retain your MPG after putting on larger tires

The MPG on my JL V6 dropped from 17-21 on the stock suspension and 32-inch tires, to 14-16 with a Mopar lift and 35x12.5 tires. A buddy’s JL with the V6 eTorque and similar modifications lost only 1-2 MPG. Because eTorque helps to turn the wheels from a standing stop, it appears eTorque takes a big bite off the added mass and inertia of larger tires.

The reason FCA discontinued eTorque from the 2.0T was primarily because it did a terrible job marketing it. At that time both the 2.0T and eTorque were new and unknown, and Jeep was charging extra for the 2.0T with eTorque. The benefits of eTorque were unknown —and remain so to a lot of consumers, and the durability of 2.0T was unproven. That was a non-starter for many buyers, especially when FCA wanted more money for that combo. Today, provided you are getting the automatic, the 2.0T is the cheaper engine option by several thousand dollars.

Both the 2.0T and eTorque have proved surprisingly durable. If I were to do it again, I’d would consider the V6 eTorque without hesitation.

Good luck.

 

[ColoradoMike]

I have a 3.6 etorque in my 22 Rubi XR. I had a 3.6 non-etorque in my 21 Rubi (not XR). I can't tell much of a difference. They say the etorque should be peppier off the line, but because I went from a base Rubi to a heavier XR with different gears, maybe it kind of evens out.
I had no issues with my 3.6ESS for the 15,000 miles I owned it. I have had no issues with my 3.6 etorque for the 6,000 miles I have owned it.
I don't know if there are statistically relevant reliability concerns with the etorque.

 

[ColoradoMike]

From what I’ve gathered reading on various JL forums, eTorque does primarily two things:

1. It smoothens out the start of the ESS
2. One benefit that is much less reported but much more significant IMO, is the eTorque helps you retain your MPG after putting on larger tires

The MPG on my JL V6 dropped from 17-21 on the stock suspension and 32-inch tires, to 14-16 with a Mopar lift and 35x12.5 tires. A buddy with a V6 eTorque and similar modifications lost only 1-2 MPG. Because eTorque helps to turn the wheels from a standing stop, it helps to take a big bite off the added mass and inertia of larger tires.

The reason FCA discontinued eTorque from the 2.0T was primarily because it did a terrible job marketing it. At that time both the 2.0T and eTorque were new and unknown, and Jeep was charging extra for the 2.0T with eTorque. The benefits of eTorque were unknown —and remain so to a lot of consumers, and the durability of 2.0T was unproven. That was a non-starter for many buyers, especially when FCA was asking them to pay more.

Both the 2.0T and eTorque have proved surprisingly durable. If I were to do it again, I’d would consider the V6 eTorque without hesitation.

Good luck.

Hmm, I wonder about the gas mileage. My gas mileage was tolerable with my 21 Rubi (3.6 non-etorque), and it took a little hit when I added my exoskeleton roof rack.
But with my 22 Rubi XR with 3.6 etorque, my gas mileage is much worse, and when I added the exoskeleton roof rack, the mileage took a much bigger hit than it did with my first Rube.
Of course there is a big difference between the Rubi and the Rubi XR-- much heavier, different geometry, etc. But I would say that while I like my etorque just fine and have no major complaints, I would say that gas mileage is the BIGGEST disappointment for me with my 22 Rubi XR 3.6 etorque. I thought it would be similar to my 21 Rubi non-etorque/non-XR, but it's 4 MPG lower.

 

[aldo98229]

Hmm, I wonder about the gas mileage. My gas mileage was tolerable with my 21 Rubi (3.6 non-etorque), and it took a little hit when I added my exoskeleton roof rack.
But with my 22 Rubi XR with 3.6 etorque, my gas mileage is much worse, and when I added the exoskeleton roof rack, the mileage took a much bigger hit than it did with my first Rube.
Of course there is a big difference between the Rubi and the Rubi XR-- much heavier, different geometry, etc. But I would say that while I like my etorque just fine and have no major complaints, I would say that gas mileage is the BIGGEST disappointment for me with my 22 Rubi XR 3.6 etorque. I thought it would be similar to my 21 Rubi non-etorque/non-XR, but it's 4 MPG lower.

The roof rack is not a variable in my case.

I’ve seen many XR owners complain about disappointing MPG. They reports similar numbers to my Sahara on Mopar lift, 35s and 4.88s. Which makes sense.

Was your 21 JL on stock suspension and tires?

 

[Zandcwhite]

We had etorque on our 2019 2.0t and now on our 2022 xr 3.6. Total of ~70k miles without issues with the etorque. In my opinion they moved the etorque to the 3.6 as the 4xe is the 2.0t with super etorque.

 

[AC87]

Have there been alot of problems with E-Torque? What happens if it quits working? It replaces the alternator so does everything shut down like when an alternator goes bad (I know it would goto battery power then)? They took it off the 2.0 and added to 3.6l. Has anyone driven the 3.6 with E-Torque and one without? Can you tell the difference?

Myself and 2 of my best friends we all have the 3.6 motor. I have e torque and they do not. One drives a Rubicon Gladiator and the other a Rubicon Wrangler. I 100% notice a difference in acceleration and smoothness off/on the throttle. It's different. As far as torque goes, I notice a power difference in the pedal in 4lo when crawling, I felt more umpfff from the get go. Normal cruising speeds/driving I couldn't tell. That's an honest review from me, could it be subjective and in my head, sure but both my friends said a similar thing when they drove my Jeep.

 

[Dailydrivenwrangler]

I have the 3.6 etorque and test drove a non etorque as well. The auto stop/start is so smooth and seemless on the etorque compared to the other motor. I’m constantly reading about people complaining about and having problems with their normal ESS motors with the little motorcycle battery and can’t actually find any posts about a specific etorque problem.
I don’t think fuel economy really differs between the two but I did notice smoother shifting on the etorque version. Also if you shut the auto stop start off then you’re not going to notice a difference in off the line speed between the two motors. But if you’re starting from a stop with the engine off there is a huge difference. The regular one will use the starter to start and the take off as normal. The etorque instantly and silently starts and then genuinely torques like a son of a bitch off the line. No issues at all spinning my 37’s with stock gearing.
You also get a 8 year warranty on the 48 volt battery and other etorque components so I wouldn’t worry about issues that may or may not pop up.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

Pros of the eTorque:
- less wear on the starter
- no small aux battery to constantly replace
- smooth auto start/stop
- smoother shifting and acceleration

Cons of the eTorque:
- The 48V battery (and battery coolant lines) are on the underside of the Jeep. It is protected with a thin skid plate but is one more thing to be careful with when off-roading over large rocks.
- The long term reliability, maintenance and replacement cost of the 48V battery and generator are still unknown.
- not that you would want to add one, but Superchargers are not compatible with eTorque engines.

After owning both, I absolutely prefer the eTorque version.

 

[Tncdrew]

Absolutely love the etorque 48V system in my Willys 2dr! Wasn't sure I would when I bought the Jeep, as it's the only way to get a 3.6L/auto.
Pleasantly surprised to be getting 20-21mpg in my mix of rural/city driving.
Soon to be re-gearing to 4.56, so driveability will even get better!

 

[ColoradoMike]

The roof rack is not a variable in my case.

I’ve seen many XR owners complain about disappointing MPG. They reports similar numbers to my Sahara on Mopar lift, 35s and 4.88s. Which makes sense.

Was your 21 JL on stock suspension and tires?

Yes, the 21 was on stock 33s and suspension.

 

[TxJeepers]

9 months and 9k miles no issue. I seldom turn off stop start because its so smooth.
People who buy Wranglers and worry about MPG shouldn't be buying Wranglers.

 

[Philly_]

Honestly I was/am an eTorque skeptic, but I have yet to read anything bad about it. Almost everything negative is around the idea of replacing the 48V battery at some point down the line, or having to protect it.

Those were enough to keep me away from it, but may not be a factor to you. Jeep has come along way with their drive train offerings since my JK with the 3.8L and 42RLE auto transmission.

 

[NChap89]

The roof rack is not a variable in my case.

I’ve seen many XR owners complain about disappointing MPG. They reports similar numbers to my Sahara on Mopar lift, 35s and 4.88s. Which makes sense.

Was your 21 JL on stock suspension and tires?

‘22 XR owner w/ 3.6 Etorque here… super smooth & accelerates nicely. I get a good laugh out of anyone complaining about mileage with a Wrangler in any sort of configuration. It's a heavy brick. Im happy at 14mpg on my XR. Getting an extra couple MPG is nothing to worry about.

 

[ColoradoMike]

‘22 XR owner w/ 3.6 Etorque here… super smooth & accelerates nicely. I get a good laugh out of anyone complaining about mileage with a Wrangler in any sort of configuration. It's a heavy brick. Im happy at 14mpg on my XR. Getting an extra couple MPG is nothing to worry about.

Some of us want to do Wrangler things (see vids in my sig if you doubt me) while also hoping to get the best mileage possible (for a Wrangler), and as technology improves, there's no reason mileage can't improve at least marginally (even in a Wrangler). The difference between 15 MPG and 20 MPG can amount to thousands of dollars per year at the pump depending on how much you drive, and that's worth caring about even if you don't give a rip about the environment (which I do).
I will continue to do Wrangler things because I love it, and continue to look for an extra couple of MPG where possible and expect the evolving engine tech to deliver that, yes even in a Wrangler.

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