DEF Delete same as RAM?

[ToolMonkey]

NO ONE offers a programmer for the 3.0 Ecodiesel. The encryption hasn't been broken on it so they can't program through the OBD 2 port. The only way to program the ECU is to physically remove it from the engine and directly program it. I know Banks and GDE (Green Diesel Engineering) have tunes for it, but you have to either take the Jeep to them or mail your ECU in for programming. GDE offers an exchange program, where you can put a $750 deposit down and they will send you a programmed ECU and you send them your old one when you get it and they refund your deposit. That said, that is for the Gen 1 3.0 ecodiesel and I'm guessing it will be a while before they have a tune for the Gen 2. I'd wait to get one until the tune is out to avoid EGR soot issues.

I've mailed my 1000 ninja ECU, and it works fine, but I definitely prefer to have the programmer in hand, I will wait till motor ops comes out with one, I really like the ease of it. And I have 5 different tunes that takes less then 3 mins to change on the fly, from Eco tune, to full on race tune, tow tune, ect. Just wait, there will be options in the near future.

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[offcamber]

My understanding is that its unlikely there will ever be a programmer you can use to do tunes yourself. There isn't enough demand and Chrysler periodically changes the encryption so it has so far thwarted those who have tried.

 

[JeepOn]

What companies know the ins and outs of the FCA ECU? I'm guessing the JL will have basically the same one as the RAM ecodiesel. Now, if only they offered the NV5600 trans with it!

I like my G56 over the cast iron beast that is the NV5600.

 

[tatarin]

http://illinoisairteam.net/does-my-vehicle-need-to-be-tested/
The following vehicles are not subject to emissions testing:

• Vehicles not subject to registration.
• Diesel-powered vehicles and vehicles that are powered exclusively by electricity.
• Motorcycles, motor-driven cycles and motorized pedal-cycles.
• Antique vehicles, expanded-use antique vehicles, custom vehicles, street rods, and vehicles of model year 1967 or before.
• Vehicles of model year 1995 or before that were in compliance with the Illinois Vehicle Emissions Inspection Law on February 1, 2007.
• Farm vehicles and implements of husbandry.
• Vehicles registered in, subject to, and in compliance with the emissions inspection requirements of another state.
• Vehicles for which a Junking Certificate has been issued by the Secretary of State pursuant to the Illinois Vehicle Code (625 ILCS 5/3-117).
• Implements of warfare owned by the State or federal government.
• Vehicles of model year 2006 or earlier with a manufacturer gross vehicle weight rating between 8,501 and 14,000 pounds.
• Vehicles with a manufacturer gross vehicle weight rating greater than 14,000 pounds.

So I just happen to look at Illinois emission testing and saw this! I didn't know that diesel cars are not subjected to emissions testing in IL that is so awesome. I'm waiting on the diesel JL and hopefully will do the DEF delete!

 

[RisingEagle]

In the end DEF really isn't a big deal. even on my truck, if I'm not towing I wind up using 1gal every 1k miles or so. You can pull around in most truck stops to get DEF at the big-rig fillups for under $3 a gallon as well.

It does seem to help with my fuel mileage, and I know it runs cleaner than pre-2012 similar trucks

 

[JeepOn]

I won't argue that the current trucks aren’t cleaner than the ones in the past. I would say technology plays largely into that. Now that we’ve figured out how to really maximize power with high a pressure rail, multi shot precision injectors, VVT turbos, all work together and a lot of good things happen. Better fuel mileage and fewer emissions. We now have cleaner diesel than we did twenty years ago, hell ten years even and look out quite they have become. Remember all the people butthurt when we were forced to burn ULSD?

Like I said, its really the jackholes who use injectors that are way oversized, turbo(s) that are to big, or set up incorrectly, and / or run around town with their programmers set to RACE that that cause us who have a properly deleted truck (that normally doesn’t normally smoke unless you stand on it) to have a bad name.

I dunno, personally, the less stuff that is bolted to the engine / truck the less could go wrong. All of this emission stuff all has to work in unison or you end up on the side of the road with a truck in limp mode. And sure, things have been looking better on the DPF and DEF front as things progress, but personally I’d rather take it all off and be done with it.

 

[GARRIGA]

Just starting to learn about diesels. Excuse my ignorance. When you guys say delete. That’s removal of hardware or just tuning to bypass the hardware? I’m understanding removal.

Forget what it’s called. The catalitic type canister that handles the soot and can cost $8k to replace. Also expensive to clean. I’m assuming post warranty I can just remove that and due a tune that deletes that requirement. Correct? Don’t want to spend $8k. Live in Florida. No inspection.

 

[robplumm]

Just starting to learn about diesels. Excuse my ignorance. When you guys say delete. That’s removal of hardware or just tuning to bypass the hardware? I’m understanding removal.

Forget what it’s called. The catalitic type canister that handles the soot and can cost $8k to replace. Also expensive to clean. I’m assuming post warranty I can just remove that and due a tune that deletes that requirement. Correct? Don’t want to spend $8k. Live in Florida. No inspection.

Deletes...removes the DPF and installs straight pipe, removes EGR and installs pipe, takes the DEF out of the system (leaves tank in place)...then reconfigures computer to think everything is still there and doing it's thing.

 

[GARRIGA]

Deletes...removes the DPF and installs straight pipe, removes EGR and installs pipe, takes the DEF out of the system (leaves tank in place)...then reconfigures computer to think everything is still there and doing it's thing.

The same as removing catalytic converter and I'm assuming all can be put back if one needs to revert to stock. Only thing left would be to flash ECU back to defaults?

I'm in my 50s and this isn't my first jeep but hoping my last. However, life isn't always as expected and just want the option to sell if needed down the road or if I'm forced to move to a state with stringent emissions testing.

 

[JeepOn]

Going back to stock shouldn't be a problem. Install removed parts, flash ECM back to stock.

I've been playing around with EZ-Lynk on an '18 RAM w/ a Cummins. One option leaves the EGR and DEF systems in place and simply turns them off, and leaves the DPF to do its thing. Kinda half way things, but at least the truck won't be eating its own exhaust nor will it be using any more DEF All while still having all the emission equipment in place if anyone happens to take a peek at it.

I'm willing to bet the customer will end up removing everything at some point. Baby steps I guess...

Rumor has it some tuners that use the EZ-Lynk system are hard work in trying to do with same thing with the EcoDiesel. Hopefully we'll find out soon. Its a neat little box and works well for the most part. Only thing that worries me is if my mobile dies in the middle of turning a truck, hopefully it won't brick the ECM. Maybe I should switch to a tablet thats plugged in. Hmmm.

 

[catdaddy63]

Something that I have heard but I have no personal confirmation is that in some states the DOT use infrared imaging on trucks passing by. The DPF and cat give off quite a heat signature apparently so a vehicle with everything deleted will not. I would imagine this is primarily aimed at 18 wheelers.

 

[JeepOn]

I’ve never heard of DOT doing such a thing. I know there are many cameras on the highways now a days. I pass by some every time I drive from Phoenix up to Flagstaff or down to Tucson, and another set if I go even further to the border. Pretty sure there are some for the comings and goings on both I-10 and I-40 at the State line. By the looks of how the cameras are set up, they are indeed aimed for heavy duty diesel trucks, they look to be scanning USDOT numbers and probably the license plates. Probably comparing those to a known data base that checks on violations, or maybe to compare the truck to the info that was logged when it entered the State and came though a weigh station. A way to track the truck though the State and to make sure their log books reflect such. I could be totally wrong. I’m not sure how an inferred camera could tell if a truck has had its DPF removed or not. I’d probably look like a blob on the screen, whos to say its not the muffler? And besides, with so many different engine and truck designs there really is no way of telling for sure without a hands on inspection.

As a rule, tamping with emissions equipment is a violation and that goes all the way back to the 70s. With that said, anything one dose to his or her vehicle, they do at their own risk. You know, for use in Mexico only…

 

[cColson]

Any options to delete the Def on a 2022 Eco-Diesel JL? Register in a state without inspections.

 

[Mr. Curti]

Any options to delete the Def on a 2022 Eco-Diesel JL? Register in a state without inspections.

I’ve heard that there are options out there. And I’ve also seen that no one will directly talk about it on here. The reason being is the government shuts those companies down faster than they can set up shop. But if you do your due diligence and research it outside of here, you will find what you are looking for.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Any options to delete the Def on a 2022 Eco-Diesel JL? Register in a state without inspections.

Nothing legal. Emissions are a federal regulation. The EPA has cracked down on companies selling delete kits. So not much is available. Everything that is would be under the table. And I bet the forum mods don't want a lot of open talk about where to get delete kits.

Do what you want but you aren't going to find companies selling anything out in the open.

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