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If you were saving to get a rubicon, then that’s what you should get. I know your car crapping out is a inconvenience, but don’t let the urgency of your situation influence your decision making. That’s just an old mans opinion take it for what it’s worth. The main thing is your getting a Jeep, one of any kind is going to be awesome for you and your family. Congrats! :)
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I have a manual sport S with 33 inch tires. I love it and never regret not getting the Rubicon (which I could have afforded).

But I wouldn't want a lift with 35 inch tires with this combination for a daily driver. It doesn't really want to get out of 4th gear as it is on the highway. I know others have done it and are happy. But I don't think I would be.
 

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To me if you are not a serious off-roader there is a rule of thumb for going from a Sport S to Rubicon:

If you are planning to run 35s or 37s, then you should consider the Rubicon. You can put 35s on without a lift and 37s without feeling like you want to regear. With the Sport S you are going to need a lift to put on 35s and I don't think you would be happy with the gearing. By that time you could have bought a Rubicon.

The only thing I miss on my Sport S is the LED package. It is a good value and the aftermarket and even Mopar have not come up with anything yet without piecing together a bunch of crap and spending more.
This is one of reasons why I went with the Rubicon. I thought about building a Sport S, but adding the cost/time of building wasn't worth it to me. I may not use the Rubicon as hard as some others, but its capability is there. If I got a Sport S, I would want to immediately add lift/wheels/tires for the "cosmetic look", adding to the initial cost. But with a Rubicon, I will already have the look with a factory warranty. I will already have the gearing and better axles if I want 35s or 37s. I will also have the HD brakes.

If you were planning on getting the Rubicon initially, get the Rubicon. You may not use all of the Rubicon features, but you will probably use some.
 

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I've been in the position where my budget was limited. You buy what you can afford and make do or modify as you go. It's not as cheap to buy a basic vehicle and fully equip it to a higher trim, but sometimes only some of the higher trim mods are needed. In the end, getting thru some rugged trails is probably more about technique and willingness to risk damage than whether you have all the cool stuff. All vehicles have limits. Being able to use yours to the limits is rewarding, regardless of how well or basically equipped it is.

If I were more serious about recreational jeeping, I wouldn't have bought an expensive new one and certainly not a 4 door monster. But I bought my Jeep as a hunting vehicle to get me, a friend and a couple bird dogs into some places that have bad enough roads that my 4x4 crewcab truck can't handle and to use as a spare vehicle for visiting relatives.
 

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To me if you are not a serious off-roader there is a rule of thumb for going from a Sport S to Rubicon:

If you are planning to run 35s or 37s, then you should consider the Rubicon. You can put 35s on without a lift and 37s without feeling like you want to regear. With the Sport S you are going to need a lift to put on 35s and I don't think you would be happy with the gearing. By that time you could have bought a Rubicon.

The only thing I miss on my Sport S is the LED package. It is a good value and the aftermarket and even Mopar have not come up with anything yet without piecing together a bunch of crap and spending more.
x2 on this post, good advice. Regarding the axle ratio difference--a significant consideration between Sport S and Rubicon. I made this mistake on my JKU previously. Lifted and 35" tires, then I was very unhappy with gearing due to axle ratio. For my JL, I went Rubicon with 37" tires/4" lift, and I am good with the gearing, as the additional axle ratio makes a big difference.
 

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So I’ve been saving up to buy a Rubicon this coming summer and what happens my beater craps out on me! Lol now I’m trying to decided whether to pick up a Sport S, or just go for the Rubicon earlier. I’m a complete noob but my wish loves the other doors and we’d like to get into overlanding with the kids. I found a couple Sport S built to my liking but they aren’t Rubicon and yes I know I won’t truly know if I’ll need the extra features the Rubicon comes with but I do know that they are incredibly sexy lol. Anyone have any advice for a noob they wouldn’t mind sharing?
People have added their Wrangler perspective extremely well. Rather than rehash that I'll address the financial, albeit sobering angle nobody likes. It's certain to strike a "you only live once man," chord with some--and I get and respect that, as that sentiment has worth, but isn't gospel.

All Wranglers are trail rated. If overlanding and not rock climbing (@ThirtyOne ) is the most off payment stuff you'll be doing, get the Sport S and upgrade over time commensurate with your ability to *afford* it.

Might you regret not getting the Rubicon? Sure.

*Afford: I have no idea of your finances. I do know you have at least 2 kids. That means before you get the Rubicon you have life insurance for those kids, and 529B accounts set up for each of them that you are putting money into now for college--at the very least. The "they're young I have time," school of thought is precisely opposite to proper financial mindset which is, "they're young, the sooner I start funding this, the less I have to put in because money grows over time."

Maybe you have and can afford all these things. Then get the Rubicon. But family first.
 

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The ONLY major difference that is not a simple mod is the Dana 44 axles and the Lockers, however those can also be added later just a little more expensive to do it that way, however if you find you do not need them, well money saved. or add a winch, that will get you out of more jams than the lockers. Unless you are rock climbing you will likely be fine with the sport. The upside to the Sport is for the daily driver it will have a more street friendly ride. As the JL model matures there will be Rubi owner switching to the Dana 6 series axles so you will be able to find Rubicon take off axles to upgrade your Sport with at a reasonable cost or you can add lockers to your sport Dana 33's.
Don't forget 4.10 gears, 4:1 transfer case, auto sway bar disco and heavy duty alt and battery in the rubi. Some of those are easier to add than others and more expensive but they all are a great thing to have if your planning to have it off road in low gear at all and use a winch.
 

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Don't forget 4.10 gears, 4:1 transfer case, auto sway bar disco and heavy duty alt and battery in the rubi. Some of those are easier to add than others and more expensive but they all are a great thing to have if your planning to have it off road in low gear at all and use a winch.
True. But did you get the part where the OP said he has never been off-road and just wants to try overlanding with the kids?

These threads always turn out the same.

I swear if dealers had them you would have people buying space shuttles in case they decide to stop off at the moon on the way to the grocery store.
 

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Don't forget 4.10 gears, 4:1 transfer case, auto sway bar disco and heavy duty alt and battery in the rubi. Some of those are easier to add than others and more expensive but they all are a great thing to have if your planning to have it off road in low gear at all and use a winch.
The gears are part of the Dana 44, sway bar disconnects are an low cost work around as is the battery and alt. The other slightly lower cost options would be the Sahara with the Limited Slip which is probably a better overlander and DD combo. I struggled between the Rubicon with the gears and lockers and the Sahara and limited Slip, since I will not be rock crawling or anything extreme the lockers and the gears were not worth the added cost and limited slip was a better overall system. In fact here in Washington where it tends to rain 12.5" wide tires are not very good wet weather road tires the limited slip and auto 4wp by far outweighs the lockers and makes it a safer road driver still with great off-road capabilities.
 

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True. But did you get the part where the OP said he has never been off-road and just wants to try overlanding with the kids?

These threads always turn out the same.

I swear if dealers had them you would have people buying space shuttles in case they decide to stop off at the moon on the way to the grocery store.
I did read that but everyones version overlanding is different. I'd consider the electronic sway dar and heavy duty alt extremely good options in overlanding. A rough fire road or gravel trail will be a lot smoother with the sway bar disco'd. Yes you can do it manually but its a nice option.

A sport or sahara is extremely capable and likely might be all he would need. Was simply pointing out those are not the only main differences.

You should have opted for the space shuttle too, I love mine.;)
 

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I think you know what needs to be done. You know it, I know it, we all know it.

There’s something romantic about having the top model—even if the most off-roading you’ll ever do is drive through the grass to park at the Renaissance Festival (that’s you, 85% of Rubicon owners).
 

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The gears are part of the Dana 44, sway bar disconnects are an low cost work around as is the battery and alt. The other slightly lower cost options would be the Sahara with the Limited Slip which is probably a better overlander and DD combo. I struggled between the Rubicon with the gears and lockers and the Sahara and limited Slip, since I will not be rock crawling or anything extreme the lockers and the gears were not worth the added cost and limited slip was a better overall system. In fact here in Washington where it tends to rain 12.5" wide tires are not very good wet weather road tires the limited slip and auto 4wp by far outweighs the lockers and makes it a safer road driver still with great off-road capabilities.
Your right but not everyone knows the d44 is automatic 4.10 gears. The last few years jk rubicons weren't coming with 4.10 gears unless you selected that option.and yeah the battery and alt are easily replaced but its worth mentioning imo esp since most overlanding people tend to hook up more lights along with a winch etc.

The sahara and rubicon both get upgraded brakes too. Its mentioned for the rubi some but I dont see it pointed out on the sahara as much. The limited slip is a great option for sure. Easily worth the money on a sahara.
 
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I’ve been looking around all week and for the most haven’t found the one......And for the most part most available sport s models are within $5k or less than a lower tier rubicon which is what I wanted (six speed grey LEDs and hardtop) so I’m thinking I may have to go with a factory order. Wife found one but wrong color....white and on sale for $40k too.....all this sucks lol.....it’s the color combo she wants too
 

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So I’ve been saving up to buy a Rubicon this coming summer and what happens my beater craps out on me! Lol now I’m trying to decided whether to pick up a Sport S, or just go for the Rubicon earlier. I’m a complete noob but my wish loves the other doors and we’d like to get into overlanding with the kids. I found a couple Sport S built to my liking but they aren’t Rubicon and yes I know I won’t truly know if I’ll need the extra features the Rubicon comes with but I do know that they are incredibly sexy lol. Anyone have any advice for a noob they wouldn’t mind sharing?
This should help you with your decision :like:
 

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I’ve been looking around all week and for the most haven’t found the one......And for the most part most available sport s models are within $5k or less than a lower tier rubicon which is what I wanted (six speed grey LEDs and hardtop) so I’m thinking I may have to go with a factory order. Wife found one but wrong color....white and on sale for $40k too.....all this sucks lol.....it’s the color combo she wants too
I had to order my sting grey Sport S. I only ordered the 3.6 auto with upgraded wheels and standard soft top. I'm coming from a 2004 Sahara so this is a major upgrade! Don't pay for something you really don't want. Just go into the dealer and order exactly what you want! O and I didn't put a deposit down. Not sure why some dealers are requiring it.
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