Bronco vs Jeep Wrangler mega thread

[bbq4133]

Call them; I bet they are no more likely to give a discount on a Bronco than they would be on a Shelby GT 500 Mustang (at least in Colorado, you won't find a GT 500 without a $10K+ "additional dealer markup" sticker on it.)

For First Editions, sure. But for others? No way.

Plus, anyone can spend $25, get a Mustang Club of America membership, and then get X-Plan pricing that gets you below invoice.

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[COBill]

For First Editions, sure. But for others? No way.

Plus, anyone can spend $25, get a Mustang Club of America membership, and then get X-Plan pricing that gets you below invoice.

Dealers don't have to honor that pricing if they don't want to.

if you can really get a Shelby GT 500 for under sticker, I'm impressed.

For example, C8 Corvettes aren't going for anywhere near even MSRP, they are all way above sticker.

 

[bbq4133]

Dealers don't have to honor that pricing if they don't want to.

if you can really get a Shelby GT 500 for under sticker, I'm impressed.

For example, C8 Corvettes aren't going for anywhere near even MSRP, they are all way above sticker.

A GT500 is way more limited than the Bronco. I had a reservation and had it in writing that the dealer was doing, at most, MSRP, and likely doing X-Plan as a Bronco is a Bronco--unless it's a First Edition. And a Corvette, while not necessarily a GT500, is more limited than the Bronco and also a different manufacturer.

The other counterbalance here--being able to change reservations through Ford Customer Service. I believe there's a working spreadsheet on Bronco6G listing dealers doing no ADM and X-Plan; so you simply use that to leverage and, if it fails, switch the dealer to one who honors it. Fairly simple.

 

[Richtor]

Call them; I bet they are no more likely to give a discount on a Bronco than they would be on a Shelby GT 500 Mustang (at least in Colorado, you won't find a GT 500 without a $10K+ "additional dealer markup" sticker on it.)

All his Bronco reservations are being sold below invoice. All his GT500 allocations are being sold where his profit margin is at msrp or below. He’s only making $1k or less on his GT500’s. He can sell them for more easily, his dealer and long term goals mean more than a quick easy profit.

 

[Jeeperob]

Some more in Moab

https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/thre...on-moab-rock-crawling-videos.3577/post-119705

But I also see a Crown Vic climbing Moab lol

 

[Nickp01]

I think what these videos have shown is that while a Bronco is still going to be less capable than a wrangler in the rocks, throwing 35’s+lockers on everything is going to make it so close that it’s irrelevant for stock vs stock.

A modified Jeep with. 37’s+ long arm kit etc is going to be way better. But what percent of Jeep owners actually do that and wheel it hard? And how many would switch if Bronco was SFA? I’d guess very very few.

 

[word302]

The Bronco will take significant sales away from the Wrangler. I’ve said this before: a great many buyers (maybe “most”) don’t really care about off-roading and a great many Jeeps (probably “most”) NEVER go off-road. People who buy Jeeps and never take them off-road buy the Jeep because they Like the way it looks and like that it’s a convertible/doors off/etc. They wouldn’t know a solid front axle if it hit them in the head. And, frankly, they don’t care about that. they really don’t care that the Jeep might be a bit better off-road — why would they if they NEVER INTEND TO TAKE IT OFF-ROAD?

I believe that the Bronco will sell very well and it will cause FCA to step up their game. And that’s good.

Except for a pretty important detail you’re forgetting about; cost to modify. People know they can lift a Jeep as cheaply as a few hundred dollars, it will be infinitely more expensive to modify an IFS, especially to do it right.

 

[word302]

Testing on flat fire roads again.

Nothing special any 2wd suv could match.


Is this oem showroom floor axle articulation? OEM Rubicon suspension travel is so good no one puts long arm kits on them....

You crack me up, you post another obstacle that I could climb in my sister’s Outback. Do you have any idea what rock crawling looks like?

 

[Nickp01]

Except for a pretty important detail you’re forgetting about; cost to modify. People know they can lift a Jeep as cheaply as a few hundred dollars, it will be infinitely more expensive to modify an IFS, especially to do it right.

The fact that Bronco comes with 35’s stock negates that to an enormous degree IMO. It is still a factor but I’d guess that 90% of JL’s and JK’s are running 35’s or smaller.

 

[word302]

No, that's FACTORY suspension and 37" tires. No lift, no suspension mods....just a lot of cutting. I know b/c it's sitting in my garage and we bought it new.

Maybe don't be so quick to "roll eyes" when someone presents you with facts that contradict your misinformed opinion. Or, "Why not try being informed rather than simply opinionated".

Oh...and JFYI, you're the one who brought up 6+....not anyone else.

I waited patiently for this response, you are far too kind.

 

[word302]

The fact that Bronco comes with 35’s stock negates that to an enormous degree IMO. It is still a factor but I’d guess that 90% of JL’s and JK’s are running 35’s or smaller.

The JL can fit 37s with 0 suspension mods (granted you have to do some trimming in other places). 37s are the new 33s in the Jeep world. It doesn’t negate anything.

 

[word302]

Seriously? You actually believe that a sway bar that provides resistance versus the factory one that COMPLETELY UNLOCKS is helping the travel? You're a special kind of stupid.

What really sux is that when shown you're fucking wrong, you don't just own it and move on...instead you pick insignificant and unrelated nits and double down.

You're incredible...as in "not credible".

That’s the response I was expecting. lol

 

[Nickp01]

The JL can fit 37s with 0 suspension mods (granted you have to do some trimming in other places). 37s are the new 33s in the Jeep world. It doesn’t negate anything.

For people who wheel hard absolutely. But as I said 90% of JK’s and JL’s are running 35’s or less. People that run 37’s are an outlier and honestly will likely never switch from Jeep.

Also, even though 37’s are getting more popular I consider 35’s the biggest most people would daily. A Jeep with a lift and true 37’s starts to get a bit annoying to get in and out of and use on a daily basis. It’s still doable but 35’s are much more livable.

 

[word302]

For people who wheel hard absolutely. But as I said 90% of JK’s and JL’s are running 35’s or less. People that run 37’s are an outlier and honestly will likely never switch from Jeep.

Also, even though 37’s are getting more popular I consider 35’s the biggest most people would daily. A Jeep with a lift and true 37’s starts to get a bit annoying to get in and out of and use on a daily basis. It’s still doable but 35’s are much more livable.

Have you looked at many JLs driving around? I don’t think 37+ is as rare as you think.

 

[COBill]

All his Bronco reservations are being sold below invoice. All his GT500 allocations are being sold where his profit margin is at msrp or below. He’s only making $1k or less on his GT500’s. He can sell them for more easily, his dealer and long term goals mean more than a quick easy profit.

That's impressive; it's certainly not the way most auto dealers near me operate.

I still remember them charging $10K over MSRP for ordinary PT Cruisers.

Not surprising when you consider I can name two Jeep dealers near me that will flat out laugh at you if you expect a low price deal from them.

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