Bronco to Wrangler

[John VonJeep]

There's a long list of IFS equipped off-road focused vehicles that can keep up or even surpass the Wrangler on everything short of straight up rock crawling.

A long list, you say?

Name ten.

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[aldo98229]

What data?



No, the fact that we are willing to buy Wranglers despite their many shortcomings is because they are unique and cool while being pretty useful at the same time. There is a very high level of desirability as evidenced by their resale value that just feeds back into the demand side. People want vehicles that are cool, and people want vehicles that other people want.

You and I had a similar discussion last year where you basically said the same thing - that you had some data that proves that people buy Wranglers because of their capability. But none of the data you've presented either then or now proves that. It only proves that people BUY Wranglers.

As I explained that time: I cannot share data that’s paid by clients.

You can continue believing whatever makes you happy. After all this is only the Internet.

 

[TheRaven]

A long list, you say?

Name ten.

I can tell this is going to be fun.

Toyota Tundra/Tacoma/4Runner/Sequoia (TRD)
Chevy Silverado/Colorado/Tahoe (ZR2/Z71)
Ford F150/Ranger/Bronco (FX4/Raptor)
Dodge Ram TRX/Rebel

That's what like 15? There's lots more.

Lemme guess, now you're going to go off about how none of those vehicles can come close to the Wrangler's ability to drive over a rock? I hope not because that would mean you haven't been paying attention.

As I explained that time: I cannot share data that’s paid by clients.

You can continue believing whatever makes you happy. After all this is only the Internet.

I respect that, but you did describe what that data entails last time without giving up too much and it's the same deal. It doesn't prove that most Wranglers are sold on off-road capability. Besides, this is common knowledge to anyone in the car business/world. There's ample data out there in the public domain to prove it, and there has been for decades. Wranglers are popular cause they're frikin cool...like a convertible Corvette is cool...but even more than that because they've got four doors and extra space.

This is not "what I believe". What I believe is actually quite different, and I haven't even brought it up because it's not going to help this conversation.

 

[Hennessey17]

Yes, Natty is the official beer of college kids in the south as well. I'm a Texas A&M grad and when I was there, collecting the Orange Natty cans was sort of a big deal.

The good ole' boy southern man is one of the only reasons I have hope for this country.

It's the official beer of college kids in the north as well... and there's plenty of good non good ol boys in the north who contribute to this great country.

 

[Headbarcode]

The Wrangler isn't "just better" off-road either. There's a long list of IFS equipped off-road focused vehicles that can keep up or even surpass the Wrangler on everything short of straight up rock crawling. That's the point. IFS is not only better on-road, it's also pretty good off-road. Yeah solid axles are better...but they aren't that much better. However they are much worse on-road.

I am also a member over on the TahoeYukon forum and there are several members that take their Tahoes into the rocks right alongside the Wranglers. Yeah they aren't AS GOOD as the Wranglers are in the rocks, but they're still there.



Wut? Yeah they would...the vast majority of Challenger/Camaro/Mustang sales are and have always been the slow V6s.



But what if I like the Wrangler the best? Despite the fact that i'm never going to take it off-road.? Sounds like you're telling me I should buy a vehicle I like less than the Wrangler just because i'm not going to be off-roading. If people followed that logic the Wrangler would have been discontinued decades ago.

Compartmentalizing again. You're tiresome, your true intentions here are loud and clear for all to read, and you can continue riding your merry go round on your own.

You're not worth my time, so perhaps someone else will waste there's on you.

 

[Deleted member 59498]

No, the fact that we are willing to buy Wranglers despite their many shortcomings is because they are unique and cool while being pretty useful at the same time. There is a very high level of desirability as evidenced by their resale value that just feeds back into the demand side. People want vehicles that are cool, and people want vehicles that other people want.

Never understood these statements like this. What shortcomings?

All of these "shortcomings" are generally opinion and not reality.

 

[TheRaven]

Compartmentalizing again. You're tiresome, your true intentions here are loud and clear for all to read, and you can continue riding your merry go round on your own.

You're not worth my time, so perhaps someone else will waste there's on you.

Resorting to personal jabs again. Disappointing. Better luck next time I guess.

Never understood these statements like this. What shortcomings?

All of these "shortcomings" are generally opinion and not reality.

Opinion? No. It's not an opinion that the Wrangler requires a lot more work to keep in a straight line while moving. It's not an opinion that the Wrangler is not as stable in turns as similar vehicles with IFS. Or that it's not as stable at speed on imperfect surfaces on or off-road (remember the Silver Creek torture test? That kind of thing). I'm not talking about things like seat comfort, legroom, and headroom. I agree those are opinion. I'm talking about things that can be objectively measured and quantified. All vehicles that excel at something have shortcomings at other things. The Wrangler is no different.

 

[Deleted member 59498]

No it doesn't. You must have a defective wrangler. Mine rides just as well as my 4Runner rode and drove maybe better without all the side to side swaying.

Nope I don't watch youtube to make up mind so never heard of any torture test. My jeep rides like most trucks I have ever owned and I enjoy the ride, you can feel it instead of being on air like many cars etc. All subjective and opinion to/of the driver.

I cruise at 75 to 80 and rides just as good as anything I have owned besides maybe my 2019 Silverado Trailboss.

 

[TheRaven]

I cruise at 75 to 80 and rides just as good as anything I have owned besides maybe my 2019 Silverado Trailboss.

Similarly, my Tahoe handles roughness far better than my Wrangler. Granted my Tahoe isn't rock crawling but then neither is my particular Wrangler and that's largely my point. This is a conversation that comes up repeatedly on this site. The only situations in which the Wrangler suspension really excels are situations where VERY few Wrangler owners ever find themselves.

And a "defective Wrangler"? Now that's a good one!

 

[dcmdon]

A long list, you say?

Name ten.

A short list.

All of these will generally give a Jeep a run for its money or even exceed what a Jeep can do in certain areas.

1) Bronco
2) 4 Runner
3) Tacoma
4) Ineos Grenadier - oh wait. Its solid axles. ;-)
5)Ford Raptor
6)Land Cruiser
7) Ram TRX
8) Benz G-Waggon
9)Just about any UTV

 

[John VonJeep]

A short list.

All of these will generally give a Jeep a run for its money or even exceed what a Jeep can do in certain areas.

1) Bronco
2) 4 Runner
3) Tacoma
4) Ineos Grenadier - oh wait. Its solid axles. ;-)
5)Ford Raptor
6)Land Cruiser
7) Ram TRX
8) Benz G-Waggon
9)Just about any UTV

That's a solid list. However, I've owned a 5th Gen 4Runner and it's nowhere near as assured on rough trails as a JL. Plus you have to do major surgery to fit 35s.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree here. However, I respect where you're coming from.

 

[Deleted member 59498]

A short list.

All of these will generally give a Jeep a run for its money or even exceed what a Jeep can do in certain areas.

1) Bronco
2) 4 Runner
3) Tacoma
4) Ineos Grenadier - oh wait. Its solid axles. ;-)
5)Ford Raptor
6)Land Cruiser
7) Ram TRX
8) Benz G-Waggon
9)Just about any UTV

What areas desert running? Only one on that list that I would give thumbs up to Wrangler is 4Runner perhaps Bronco still too new. Land Cruiser? Serious? G-Wagen I thought they had solid front axle with 134000 dollar price tag.

 

[aldo98229]

A short list.

All of these will generally give a Jeep a run for its money or even exceed what a Jeep can do in certain areas.

1) Bronco
2) 4 Runner
3) Tacoma
4) Ineos Grenadier - oh wait. Its solid axles. ;-)
5)Ford Raptor
6)Land Cruiser
7) Ram TRX
8) Benz G-Waggon
9)Just about any UTV

The key to Wrangler’s secret sauce is that it can do in one package what most of those vehicles can do individually.

 

[dcmdon]

What areas desert running? Only one on that list that I would give thumbs up to Wrangler is 4Runner perhaps Bronco still too new. Land Cruiser? Serious? G-Wagen I thought they had solid front axle with 134000 dollar price tag.

the point was similar performance to a Jeep in areas other than rock crawling.

Any of the ones I listed above have available 4wd systems with a ladder frame, low range and plenty of ground clearance. Other than that its tires and you are done.

All of the trucks I listed, including the bronco, how does its newness mean anything, are comparable to a jeep in general off road use with nothing more than possibly tires.

 

[dcmdon]

The key to Wrangler’s secret sauce is that it can do in one package what most of those vehicles can do individually.

The bronco can do anything a Jeep can do.
Including lose its (leaky and squeaky) hard top or soft top.

The Grenadier is probably superior off road to a Jeep but can't lose its top or doors. And its got beam axles anyway. And at this point its vaporware.

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