Bronco to Wrangler

[Cypher]

I know its difficult to admit change can be good, but watching ultra 4, and what RZR and Can-Am can do offroad shows that IFS can work in those situations. Sure, there will be trade offs. just like we all trade on-road handling for the additional offroad benefits. I am thrilled the Bronco is forcing change to the wranglers, just as I am glad the wrangler is forcing the Bronco (hello Bronco Raptor) to make changes. I dont hold anyones personal choice in a vehicle against them just like I would never bash someone for their choice in personal firearm (or lack of). you should always choose the tool that works best for you and your needs.

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[Mason1646]

I know its difficult to admit change can be good, but watching ultra 4, and what RZR and Can-Am can do offroad shows that IFS can work in those situations. Sure, there will be trade offs. just like we all trade on-road handling for the additional offroad benefits. I am thrilled the Bronco is forcing change to the wranglers, just as I am glad the wrangler is forcing the Bronco (hello Bronco Raptor) to make changes. I dont hold anyones personal choice in a vehicle against them just like I would never bash someone for their choice in personal firearm (or lack of). you should always choose the tool that works best for you and your needs.

Don’t blame Jeep for the eyesore that is the BRaptor

 

[aldo98229]

I know its difficult to admit change can be good, but watching ultra 4, and what RZR and Can-Am can do offroad shows that IFS can work in those situations. Sure, there will be trade offs. just like we all trade on-road handling for the additional offroad benefits. I am thrilled the Bronco is forcing change to the wranglers, just as I am glad the wrangler is forcing the Bronco (hello Bronco Raptor) to make changes. I dont hold anyones personal choice in a vehicle against them just like I would never bash someone for their choice in personal firearm (or lack of). you should always choose the tool that works best for you and your needs.

Have you seen the price on those Polaris, Can Ams and Razrs? They are not cheap. And they are not even street legal. Just imagine if they had to certify them to meet all safety and EPA regulations; they’d cost as much as a TRX.

Thing is, for JL Jeep had the chance to take it IFS and it consciously chose to keep it solid axle.

We will lament the day Jeep builds the last solid axle vehicle.

 

[Cypher]

Don’t blame Jeep for the eyesore that is the BRaptor

I did not say it looked good lol. I do think it will perform great though.

 

[Cypher]

Have you seen the price on those Polaris, Can Ams and Razrs? They are not cheap. And they are not even street legal. Just imagine if they had to certify them to meet all safety and EPA regulations; they’d cost as much as a TRX.

Thing is, for JL Jeep had the chance to take it IFS and it consciously chose to keep it solid axle.

We will lament the day Jeep builds the last solid axle vehicle.

Actually they are easily street legal here in AZ, I almost bought one for our spare car. only reason I did not is the AZ dust. it is brutal here.

as far as Jeeps decision on straight axle, dont read too much into that. My guess is cost played a heavy role with the redesign to include IFS. if the Bronco shows it works for 90% of the people and gives better drivability in the street you can bet they will look at it again. Jeep did not want to be the test for what a consumer would accept in that segment, if Bronco shows it will,work, Jeep wont be far behind.

With that said, I am not pro-IFS for a wrangler. I like the current setup. If Jeep did switch I would not want to buy for a few years until we see how it works and what the compromises are in the wrangler.

 

[Headbarcode]

First off, a solid axle arrangement is certainly, not potentially, stronger than ifs due to it having fewer components that have strength and size to their advantage. IFS is comprised of many smaller and weaker parts due to package size constraints.

If we're splitting hairs, it's worth mentioning that those Baja and trophy trucks that a couple of posters here and Fords marketing team use as a reference to support the bronco, are long arm ifs and built to handle 40's and 42's without easily crippling themselves. Unlike the bronco with its short arms and toothpick steering that seems to have a hard time wrangling little 35's.

Also, Ultra 4 cars come in both sfa and long arm ifs setups and each have their own pluses and minuses that put them on an even playing field when one steps back to see the overall picture. But again, Baja racers, trophy trucks, and Ultra 4 cars are completely different animals than our Jeeps and those broncos, so cross comparing is fruitless.

And comments about an "improved" Raptor version? The only actual improvements are a dash that doesn't look like an 80's video game. And the inclusion of a b-pillar crossbar because it finally dawned on Ford that structural integrity is better on an offroad vehicle than the back seat passengers getting to see the whole cloud instead of only 90% of it. As for steering, all they did was beef up the rack housing because they decided to rubber mount it to help with articulation. The original housing is hard mounted to the frame, which aids in strengthening it. But the tie rods are still a weakness, and more so with 37's, the axle shafts are at an even higher angle, and the upper drop arm is only putting the ball joints closer to the end of their working angle.

The fact that every bronco model needs front and rear lockers is very telling. It's because they are an essential bandaid for lackluster articulation, and along with removable doors and roof, are the only things that separate it from every other run of the mill suv. Also, am I the only one that sees the constantly used backpeddling response to the many reasons why the bronco isn't real competition to the wrangle outside of taking the doors and roof off. And that is to mention how little any of these vehicles really get used for what they were intended for. I've run into a handful of local Jeep owners who have zero intention of taking their Jeeps offroad. But they mention the comfort in knowing that when natural disaster strikes or some other shit hits the fan, their vehicle will be capable and will survive finding a new path. They won't be stuck with the rest of the herd because they only look the part.

If one takes a minute or two to dig deeper than paint choices and gimmicky poor driver aids, it becomes abundantly clear who and what the bronco was designed and built for. And a small hint. You'll never find the whole story if you don't research beyond the manufacturers brochure.

 

[MIAZ]

You gotta remember Henry Ford was making Jeeps before most of us were born! I love our Jeep, but competition is good for everyone. I saw this FORD JEEP at the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson last week. I think I remember seeing one at the Marine Corps Museum in Virginia about 6 years ago too. So no matter how much you love or hate Ford, remember there’s a little bit of Ford blood in your Jeep every time you turn your key or push the start button. They helped our wonderful veterans win WW2, so we wouldn’t be saluting Hitler and his followers. Thank our veterans, young and old!

 

[aldo98229]

You gotta remember Henry Ford was making Jeeps before most of us were born! I love our Jeep, but competition is good for everyone. I saw this FORD JEEP at the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson last week. I think I remember seeing one at the Marine Corps Museum in Virginia about 6 years ago too. So no matter how much you love or hate Ford, remember there’s a little bit of Ford blood in your Jeep every time you turn your key or push the start button. They helped our wonderful veterans win WW2, so we wouldn’t be saluting Hitler and his followers. Thank our veterans, young and old!

Actually, it is well documented that Henry Ford was an early supporter of Nazism and admirer of Hitler; he also opposed Lend-Lease and supporting the Allies.

It wasn’t until Pearl Harbor, and the juicy military contracts from the Federal Government, that he changed his tune.

FoMoCo has selective memory about its past.

Now it even wants us to forget these were once a Bronco and a Mustang... ?

 

[JeepViking13]

You could have kept the Bronco order then flipped it for a nice profit while still waiting for your Jeep. I decided to keep my Bronco reservation to hold my place in line just to see what happens.

Yep. That's exactly what I'm doing. I have a 2022 2 door BaseSquatch 2.7 Auto in Eruption Green ordered July 2020 reservation holder and just ordered a 2022 Willys Xtreme Recon in Gobi last week.

Let's see which one comes first!?!?

 

[McLeadslinger]

I saw a hard top 2 door Bronco in my area yesterday. First 2 door I’ve seen. To say it looked silly is an understatement. The proportions are way off and it looks like it’s gonna tip over. Lol.

 

[Headbarcode]

I saw a hard top 2 door Bronco in my area yesterday. First 2 door I’ve seen. To say it looked silly is an understatement. The proportions are way off and it looks like it’s gonna tip over. Lol.

How can it tip over if it's strapped down to the flat bed?

 

[Mikester86]

How can it tip over if it's strapped down to the flat bed?

 

[Headbarcode]

 

[AC87]

99% of SUVs and pickups out there have the exact same front suspension as a Ford Bronco.

If that’s what you want, get a Toyota 4Runner TRD, a Toyota Tacoma TRD, a Chevrolet Colorado ZR2, or a GMC Canyon AT4, and you will get a comparably capable off-road vehicle without having to wait years to get it, put up with shoddy Ford quality, the abuse from its dealers, or pay the insane markups.

Yep. Coming from a Toyota 4runner TRD Pro, I had it for around 2 years while my friends bought Jeeps. We have been wheeling local FSR's, ATV trails and tight obstacles and some challenging terrains here. Our goal initially was to see what we could do with our stock vehicles. Here is where it gets fun, first couple months on moderate/light trails as we were getting accustomed to spotting, picking lines, learning about our vehicles my 4runner was fine. Once we did a trip every weekend for months and months and built our confidence, we decided to do Eagle Mountain , It's not advanced but it's technical.

That's when I realized why my IFS is going to have a tough time and the solid front axle of my friends Jeeps are going to perform. I couldn't take the same lines, didn't have the ground clearance, I was scraping left and right. I had trail damage to my rear bumper after that trip, basically it wasn't fun. My friends in stock Rubicon's made it, I was being winched out of places, scraping everywhere. It was a 80% rock crawling trail and I struggled big time. At one point I thought maybe it's my driving skill and we switched with another rig that offered me a chance to drive his Jeep. He struggled as well. Long story short , that 6km trail took over 2.5 hours for me one way.

Anyways, as we continued to start to go on more challenging trails I realized I needed to mod my stock TRD 4runner. Started looking into lifts, bumpers, rims, tires, body mount chops, rear tire carriers, etc. Next thing I know I'm $15,000 in to mods to basically do what a stock Rubicon can. That's when I decided to make the switch after 2 and a bit years with my 4runner. Traded it in for a '21 Rubicon in February. For me, my family and the trips we want to do, the on road ride is fine, more than tolerable, I'm fine with the driving. The off road is where it shines and what it was built for. We went back to Eagle Mountain that weekend and I tackled it, had an absolute blast. Of course in the future I will modify my Jeep but for now, 90% of the trails here can be done with my Jeep stock. We have soooo much more to explore. Anyways, sorry for the long write up

 

[FloridaSon]

Good report

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