Bronco to Wrangler

[aldo98229]

The only reason I would want a Bronco over a Wrangler is because of the Broncos front suspension. with my off road adventures I have zero need for a solid axel . jeep is king for serious offroad.

99% of SUVs and pickups out there have the exact same front suspension as a Ford Bronco.

If that’s what you want, get a Toyota 4Runner TRD, a Toyota Tacoma TRD, a Chevrolet Colorado ZR2, or a GMC Canyon AT4, and you will get a comparably capable off-road vehicle without having to wait years to get it, put up with shoddy Ford quality, the abuse from its dealers, or pay the insane markups.

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[Mason1646]

Is this yours?
https://www.bronco6g.com/forum/threads/providential-bronco-build.38259/

Yep

 

[Mason1646]

99% of SUVs and pickups out there have the exact same front suspension as a Ford Bronco.

If that’s what you want, get a Toyota 4Runner TRD, a Toyota Tacoma TRD, a Chevrolet Colorado ZR2, or a GMC Canyon AT4, and you will get a comparably capable off-road vehicle without having to wait years to get it, put up with shoddy Ford quality, the abuse from its dealers, or pay the insane markups.

I get the appeal of the bronco over these though. You can still take the top and doors off and run 35’s without doing any mods. Most ‘off-road’ vehicles are pavement princesses, mine included, and folks just want a fun lifestyle vehicle they can do everything in. But yeah, I’d never pay a mark up - especially on a future dime a dozen vehicle.

 

[Badfish]

I bought Ford stock years ago when they announced the return of the Bronco. I wanted to be able to say "Did I ever tell you about the time Ford bought me a Bronco?" Now the story has become: "Did I ever tell you about the time Ford bought me a Jeep Wrangler?" (and yes, it's true...the run up of Ford stock at the end of 2021 gave me enough profit to pay for the Wrangler).

hey... that's how I bought my Teslas!... w/ TSLA tho. But ford was super cheap for a while when pandemic drove price down. pretty neat story there. capital gains taxes were no fun tho

 

[aldo98229]

I get the appeal of the bronco over these though. You can still take the top and doors off and run 35’s without doing any mods. Most ‘off-road’ vehicles are pavement princesses, mine included, and folks just want a fun lifestyle vehicle they can do everything in. But yeah, I’d never pay a mark up - especially on a future dime a dozen vehicle.

Yeah, I get that. But I was responding specifically to a fellow forum member who claimed:

“The only reason I would want a Bronco over a Wrangler is because of the Broncos front suspension. with my off road adventures I have zero need for a solid axel . jeep is king for serious offroad.”​

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If you indeed spend time off-road, the front solid axle is the way to go. No ifs or buts, and no matter Ford’s claims to the contrary. On the other hand, if all you want is a pavement princess, then sure, IFS offers better on-road handling.

 

[dwoverdrive]

Those Broncos are really cool vehicles.

 

[JLAFAKASI]

This is my mom’s jeep. It’s a pavement princess, but it’s a manual and has roll up windows so it’s a blast to drive.

whats the lift and tire size?

 

[Mason1646]

whats the lift and tire size?

Not terribly sure about the lift. I think 3-3.5 or so. It’s a very early ‘18 JL, so she got whatever was available at the time. Tires are 37 Mastercraft Courser MXT’s

 

[Mason1646]

Looks like this thread generated enough buzz to make it on the home page… on the same day that my Bronco build post made it on the homepage of Bronco6g .

 

[aldo98229]

Those Broncos are really cool vehicles.

Strange first post on a Jeep forum... ?

 

[dwoverdrive]

Strange first post on a Jeep forum... ?

haha sorry. I am new here. Just went from a 2018 Sport to a 2022 Willys with a manual transmission. Currently searching threads but I was somewhat close to a deal on a Bronco myself. Helps that you cant find them anywhere.

 

[IdahoJOAT]

If you indeed spend time off-road, the front solid axle is the way to go. No ifs or buts, and no matter Ford’s claims to the contrary. On the other hand, if all you want is a pavement princess, then sure, IFS offers better on-road handling.

I don't know exactly how to say you're wrong other than to say, you're wrong.

Solid front axles are easier to lift, simpler to understand, more time tested, potentially stronger and are better for flex.

However, IFS is better for higher speed stability. Honestly for most everyone that the most their "off-roading" consists of is the wash-boardy forest service roads, IFS is probably what they really want. This vast majority of people are 80-90% on-road, then 5-8% forest road, then that last bit is slow crawling.

And as proof positive... very few Baja and trophy trucks running solid axles setups.

Not necessarily defending the Bronco. I've said they're totally different vehicles engineered for totally different purposes, yet because the top and doors come off both they're "competitors".

But your statement is false on a fundamental level.

 

[aldo98229]

I don't know exactly how to say you're wrong other than to say, you're wrong.

Solid front axles are easier to lift, simpler to understand, more time tested, potentially stronger and are better for flex.

However, IFS is better for higher speed stability. Honestly for most everyone that the most their "off-roading" consists of is the wash-boardy forest service roads, IFS is probably what they really want. This vast majority of people are 80-90% on-road, then 5-8% forest road, then that last bit is slow crawling.

And as proof positive... very few Baja and trophy trucks running solid axles setups.

Not necessarily defending the Bronco. I've said they're totally different vehicles engineered for totally different purposes, yet because the top and doors come off both they're "competitors".

But your statement is false on a fundamental level.

If you need to go “high speed” when you off-roading...you are doing it WRONG. Period.

If Ford has you convinced that you need to be going fast when you leave the pavement, I suggest you stop paying attention to their nonsense. That’s part of the reason gullible Bronco owners keep breaking parts.

The reason Jeep has been the king of the trails for 80+ years, is because Jeeping, like sex, is best enjoyed slow.

 

[Equitasforall]

I know I'm not going to make a lot of friends with this, but what the hell. I'm also one of those that have both. I bought my 2021 Rubicon 4xe last November (my second JL with the first being an 18 2 Door Rubi.) I bought my 2021 2 Door Badlands on 4 March 2022. It is also my second Bronco, with my first being a 1973.

My Badlands is 95% what I had spec'd out as a day 4 reservation holder. I cancelled my reservation in Fall 2020 due to issues with the service department at the dealership to which it was linked. (I know from being on here for 3 1/2 years that nobody has ever had any issues with a Jeep Service department.) In addition, around the same time I was notified of an overseas assignment (Afghanistan) that was going to take me away for a year anyway, so it didn't make sense to buy a Bronco then and park it... the same reason I sold my original JL... didn't want it sitting for another year as I'd done that in 2019 when I was in Pakistan. So fast forwarding from there, my Afghan assignment didn't go as expected and I was home earlier than I was supposed to be by about 11 months so I started looking for my Bronco again... and found it.

I drove the Bronco 1700 miles home from Houston, TX to Berryville, VA and had a blast. A combination of highway, secondary, goat path, and "nobody has any business here whatsoever mountain crossings." It is extremely well built... everything is tight and solid. While there are plastics on the inside they did not seem to be any more cheaply done or plentiful than in either of my JLs and, like the Jeep, the plastics blended well and transitioned well with the other materials. The hard top is fine. No more noise or noises than found in my Jeep or other Jeeps I've owned or ridden in. Seats were insanely comfortable. Engine plenty powerful and the transmission was geared well for the vehicle (only knock on the transmission is it has too many gears... huge leg up for Jeep with the 8 speed.) The Bronco is more stable, with the body, frame, suspension, wheels and tires seeming to be more integrated with one another unlike the two Jeeps where it clearly feels like you have a body, riding on a frame, riding on a suspension, riding on wheels and tires all as individual components. Features designed specifically for offroading such as the front view camera with optional available view straight down at your front tires and the ground, trail turn assist, and the accessory rail with powerpoints on the dash are extremely well thought out and highly functional. Fuel mileage was 19.9 for the trip, and that is for two adults, our crap for a week, 1" leveling kit, and insanely heavy Fuel Wheels with 35" Nitto Ridge Grapplers. The dealership treated us extremely well. There were no markups. Same with my previous experience with my Jeep dealership.

Yes, Bronco people have issues with their Broncos and their dealerships. Jeep people have issues with their Jeeps and their Jeep dealerships. Bottom line is that I love my Jeep. I love my Bronco. They are two fantastic vehicles whose manufacturers will continue to force each other to become better. Neither vehicle is perfect (as you will read on each vehicle forum.) Neither manufacturer is perfect (again, plenty of stories on each forum to support this.) But both vehicles are extremely capable, well made, well intentended and loads of fun.

Bronco Specs - 2.3L/Auto. Badlands with Sasquatch, Lux package, Fuel Blitz with Nitto Ridge Grapplers, 1" Leveling Kit. Ford Performance fender flares and hood scoop. Antimatter Blue with Black Leather.

Jeep Specs - Rubicon 4xe. Leather. Cold Weather Group, Steel Bumper Group, Sky One Touch, Prox locks/Keyless Entry. Granite Crystal Metallic.

Any questions on either, let me know.

 

[IdahoJOAT]

If you need to go “high speed” when you off-roading...you are doing it WRONG. Period.

If Ford has you convinced that you need to be going fast when you leave the pavement, I suggest you stop paying attention to their nonsense. That’s part of the reason gullible Bronco owners keep breaking parts.

The reason Jeep has been the king of the trails for 80+ years, is because Jeeping, like sex, is best enjoyed slow.

Now you're trying to change all off-roading(or trails) to Jeeping. Jeep doesn't have exclusivity to everything off-road.

Also note I said higher speed. You take a JL/JLU down some of these forest roads in Idaho and you'll not only rattle your fillings out, but could really hurt your rig, gear, or yourself when it chops off the road. Therefore, we have to pick a good line and/or slow down to 2-3 mph.

Whereas, and I haven't done it on anything except an ATV or SXS(both IFS), but a rig running IFS will handle that terrain much better. It'll be more planted, consistent and safer.

I think you're being a bit absolute with your statements and advice.

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