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[ogo]

@Ratbert Just double checking my understanding of what you post, but the column of window stickers is matched against the build sheet column correct? I guess a better way of stating the question is for every window sticker found, it matched to a build sheet found right?

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[casblue505]

I'll run/post that query tomorrow, but I'm not sure that we'd be able to make any significant determinations from those trends.

A bone stock Jeep with zero options will likely build extremely quickly while the same Jeep with a Sky One-Touch plus grab handles (which they're currently not making for the SOT and don't allow you to order) would take several months to build.

I wish that was true for my case...I ordered on 11/20 (evening) and had vin next day. My build is a Willys sport sarge green soft top stick shift with only A/C which includes the larger radio, and tow pkg. However, I did add some now seemingly silly things - grab handles, door sills, and cargo tub. My door locks and windows are manual...no power extras.

 

[Ratbert]

@Ratbert Just double checking my understanding of what you post, but the column of window stickers is matched against the build sheet column correct? I guess a better way of stating the question is for every window sticker found, it matched to a build sheet found right?

Correct. I don't look for window stickers unless I already have a build sheet. I was looking for both separately initially, but quickly realized that it was pointless without a build sheet.

 

[Ratbert]

I wish that was true for my case...I ordered on 11/20 (evening) and had vin next day. My build is a Willys sport sarge green soft top stick shift with only A/C which includes the larger radio, and tow pkg. However, I did add some now seemingly silly things - grab handles, door sills, and cargo tub. My door locks and windows are manual...no power extras.

Yours could be an interesting data point. Normally we try to figure out why the fully-loaded builds are being delayed, but yours should (theoretically) be easier. Mind sharing your POC with personal details blocked?

 

[Pinky Tuscadero]

Is it normal for mailmen to order their own Jeeps?

Note that I grew up in that part of the state and wrote the infrastructure that controls that massive radar at Eglin. The most powerful phased array on the planet.

If you have a rural route without an official vehicle designated for it then you drive your own vehicle. We've bought 5 RHD Jeeps since our '99 RHD Cherokee. The last 3 were for personal only use as the wife is just used to driving that way and up until the Jan of this year $4,000 RHD increase they didn't cost any extra for what you got.
It easily pays for itself unless it breaks without a backup and insurance is questionable at best since your using it for a delivery vehicle
Also, when you park on the street you're not stepping into traffic, Although left turns and passing can be a bear at times

 

[Pinky Tuscadero]

I'm Beyond patient at this point. Ordered my RHD Wrangler 10/16/21 at my dealership. Order was not accepted until November 11th. Got VIN from dealer in mid December and again via Jeep Customer Care in February. Still nothing shown as being built. It appears that five RHDs have been built this year. All ordered after mine. An email thread from above local dealer claims they are building 17-25 RHDs per month. Crypto says otherwise. Was told via Jeep Chat on 4/1 that build stared that day. Evidently that was their idea of an April Foll's joke! Last six of my VIN is 116333.

Keep pounding Jeep chat and see if there are other contact options, sounds like it got lost in the shuffle somewhere. They don't have any limit on how many RHD units they build, its just like the rest, they build what people order as long as they have the parts and "sold orders" like yours take priority over "lot orders"
Hoping it gets finished soon so you can begin the next phase of waiting for them to actually ship it
FYI, keep that old one for a backup when you get it... you never know

 

[KilroyWasHere]

@Ratbert My dealer said one thing that might be holding up my Jan JLUR order is that I ordered a manual transmission. Can you see anything on manual orders?

 

[casblue505]

Yours could be an interesting data point. Normally we try to figure out why the fully-loaded builds are being delayed, but yours should (theoretically) be easier. Mind sharing your POC with personal details blocked?

I was hoping by my birthday 5/5 but don't look good ? ?

 

[casblue505]

@Ratbert My dealer said one thing that might be holding up my Jan JLUR order is that I ordered a manual transmission. Can you see anything on manual orders?

That would be sad for us

 

[KilroyWasHere]

I was hoping by my birthday 5/5 but don't look good ? ?

Looking at your order sheet, I finally figured out what's delaying all our orders!

 

[DfromBama]

@Ratbert can you pull the percentage of orders from October November and December that still haven’t been built?

 

[Ratbert]

John can you pull the percentage of orders from October November and December that still haven’t been built?

I'm trying to figure out what the April stats imply. Will be adding numbers to this soon.

Edit: see my subsequent post which has additional columns.

month	% w/build sheets	% w/window stickers	% of incomplete build sheets
Oct '21	81.6​	78.9​	3.3​
Nov '21	77.6​	75.2​	3.1​
Dec '21	57.2​	56.5​	1.3​
Jan '22	54.0​	52.7​	2.3​
Feb '22	34.7​	31.7​	8.6​
Mar '22	5.3​	3.5​	34.0​
Apr '22	​	​	30.0​

Edit: see my subsequent post where I've added lots of details to this.

 

[Oskaloosa Mailman]

Is it normal for mailmen to order their own Jeeps?

Note that I grew up in that part of the state and wrote the infrastructure that controls that massive radar at Eglin. The most powerful phased array on the planet.

A vast majority of rural route mail carriers provide their own transportation. I prefer a factory built RHD and since I'm in Iowa, I also want a decent 4WD.

 

[Oskaloosa Mailman]

Keep pounding Jeep chat and see if there are other contact options, sounds like it got lost in the shuffle somewhere. They don't have any limit on how many RHD units they build, its just like the rest, they build what people order as long as they have the parts and "sold orders" like yours take priority over "lot orders"
Hoping it gets finished soon so you can begin the next phase of waiting for them to actually ship it
FYI, keep that old one for a backup when you get it... you never know

Definitely keeping the old one for backup. Needs engine and transmission now. Still will be worth fixing. Sucks delivering with a 2006 2500HD 4wd w/8' box!

 

[Ratbert]

For those of us waiting on older orders (or even newer ones) I think this is the most insightful single view. Could you like run this on a regular basis, and post the output along with the date that it was run?

So this one was on 4/11.
If you ran the same query on 4/18 (1 week later) and the Oct 21 % with build sheets went up to (say) 92.1 and the % with window stickers went up to (say) 86.2 - we who've been harmed by scrum could say that the Oct 21 "burn down rate" was 1% per week, and infer that if you have an Oct 21 build, you're almost certain to see your Jeep built within 10 weeks and the over/under is 5 weeks.

If I think more about it, I'm pretty sure there's more fun combinatorics we could do on this data, especially if there were count numbers as well as as percentages for those cells.

For instance, we could generate the answer to the FAQ "If I order now, what's the 50/50 over/under on when my Jeep will have a Window Sticker?" Obviously, there's no data on whether or date of actual delivery to dealer....

You're right. It makes much more sense when there's context.

month	# sequence numbers	# build sheets	% haven't started build	% w/build sheets	# window stickers	% w/window stickers	% in backlog
Oct '21	12,399​	10,116​	18.4​	81.6​	9,779​	78.9​	3.3​
Nov '21	13,099​	10,162​	22.4​	77.6​	9,844​	75.2​	3.1​
Dec '21	32,583​	18,651​	42.8​	57.2​	18,409​	56.5​	1.3​
Jan '22	30,742​	16,588​	46.0​	54.0​	16,202​	52.7​	2.3​
Feb '22	24,976​	8,677​	65.3​	34.7​	7,927​	31.7​	8.6​
Mar '22	22,898​	1,210​	94.7​	5.3​	798​	3.5​	34.0​
Apr '22	???​	10​	???​	???​	7​	???​	30.0​

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